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derekorourke · Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 12

Hey guys,
I'm looking for something to keep me busy for the period of early-mid September to early-mid December (2004). Will consider jobs of two or three month length. I have two and a half years ESL teaching experience (institute and camps), teaching all ages, all levels, all kinds of behaviour, and a BA in Media and Cultural Studies (I know....).
I'm Irish, hard-working, I don't often complain and I'm curious about Hong Kong (been to mainland China but not HK). Don't have phone number right now, as I've been on the move, but you can email me at [email protected]....
Looking forward to hearing from you....
Cheers,
Derek O'Rourke

Ludwig

Do not hold your breath. The minimum work visa issued by HK immigration is one year. For this, a sponsor is required.

If you are looking for something to keep you busy, I would suggest going about getting the qualifications and experience needed for HK.

derekorourke · Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 12

got the quals and the experience mate, but also have only three months on my hands...busy in the New Year.....so, you reckon HK's a no-no then....?

Ludwig · Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:15 am Post subject:

I am sorry but if you only have "two and a half years ESL teaching experience", which itself is at "institute [sic] and camps" and a BA in "Media and Cultural Studies" then no, you certainly do not have the qualifications or experience, mate.

derekorourke · Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 12

ludwig you sound like an idiot, I just wanted some helpful advice or pointers, none of which you had.....other than "spend my three months getting the necessary experience and qualifications"...if three months is all that's required getting to your level than it isn't all that high....my experience is only two and a half years, wtf is wrong with 2 1/2 years, what are you 80?
I played beach soccer with some English lads in Thailand who were teaching in HK and were straight out of Uni, no experience, no teaching qualifications...it's a big place homes....
anyway if its full of c**ts like you you can shove hong kong ...
don't you just hate these poor saps who think ESL is the be-all and end-all and cos they have a CELTA and eleventy years experience everyone else is beneath them...
get a real job Ludwig

Horizontal Hero · Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:39 am Post subject:

Hey Derek, don't mind Lugwit. He's a rather miserly chap who likes to get a rise of of people, and no doubt is enjoying your response with some degree of self-satisfaction. I encourage you not to grant him any more of this kind of satisfaction, for the sake off all members of this forum.

Ludwig · Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:04 am Post subject:

Ludwig · Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:29 am Post subject:

It is good to know that you have opted to "shove" Hong Kong, or, rather, it is, at least, good to know that this is what you are attempting to convince yourself of. In reality, of course, judging from your last 'post', it is unlikely that you would even be able to secure a cleaning post at a school here in Hong Kong. After all, to satisfy immigration conditions it must be shown that the applicant is being sponsored to work in HK by dint of no suitable candidate being available locally.

Unlike you, I have "a real job", thank you very much. I lecture in English and linguistics at undergraduate level here in HK at a university. I also supervise dissertations at postgraduate level, so again, thank you for asking. I also conduct tutorials for the OU of HK, so, yet again, thank you for asking. Besides, your attempt at attacking the forum and its members on this front is wholly misplaced; teaching English as a foreign language is a real job, at least for those of us in 'real' cities like Hong Kong and who have real qualifications (such as Masters degrees in language acquisition and PGDEs, etc.). My former NET post, too ,was certainly very 'real' (as was the pay, benefits package, and boost to my curriculum vitae).

If the minimum experience required is, for example, six years, then I would have thought it really quite obvious what was "wrong" with only two and a half years, viz., that it falls short by some three and a half years. In fact, as only experience that is post qualification is actually counted as experience in HK by all major employers (i.e., those that can and do sponsor candidates for a work visa from immigration) you have no experience (as you have no germane qualifications).

Congratulations on having "played beach soccer with some English lads in Thailand who were teaching in HK". I am sure that if you mention this on your applications at immigration it will help your case. It would help further, however, if you spoke British English with the customs agents, so I would go for 'football' if I were you.

once again · Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 815

Ludwig · Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 12:10 pm Post subject:

I suppose you must at least be given some credit for not even so much as attempting to rescue and pursue, once again, your doomed (non-)argument.

derekorourke · Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 12

I take it you're referring to me.
I notice Ludwig that you have posted 611 posts to this forum alone (I'd wager your arrogance requires you to subscribe to several). If at least half of said posts are full of the lengthy and needless pontification of which you are so fond, then that is lot of wasted time...time I'd only imagine - in my extremely inexperienced way - which would have been more productively spent "doing" your "real job"...I wonder if your students are aware that you while away the time you are being paid to work for them talking shite on a chatroom, hmmmm?
As I've already mentioned, I'm from Ireland, and I know full well what "football" is...however, the term "beach soccer" refers to a completely different sport than football, albeit extremely similar, in which the action takes place on a beach. I'll refer you to "volleyball" and "beach volleyball" to help you along...with me?
I brought the beach soccer incident up to illustrate the point that working in Hong Kong does not necessarily require you to have a Masters in Verbal Masturbation and ten years experience in chatrooms...
I was at no point after your job, Ludwig, nor none like it...I was merely trying to see if anyone knew of something going for a short period of time...if you had nothing to offer you should have spent your time preparing for the Fall Semester...
You said I wasn't fit to be the cleaner at your school...hypothetically speaking though, if I was the cleaner at your school, I could possibly have a broom in one hand and a brush in the corner, both of which I would ram up your (I'd be prepared to bet) fat ass...

Susie · Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Posts: 390 Location: PRC

http://www.classifiedpost.com/jscommunity.php?communitycode=EDU&lcid=HK.EN

Joachim · Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 311 Location: Brighton, UK

Derek,

I have a BA in a totally unrelated field, CELTA, a few years institute/camp experience and a full-time, legal position in Hong Kong.

It's not on the higher end of the scale, and you can earn some very good money here, but it more than suffices for this little period in my life.

Don't be discouraged, check out the education section at classifiedpost.com for details of current vacancies.

Good Luck!

Ludwig · Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:35 pm Post subject:

I would be interested in knowing just how many of those employers listed at classified post are willing - and legally able - to sponsor a candidate for a visa for 'two or three months' (while he is not doing something else).

'Joachim', please be fair to the immature little cretin who posed the 'question'. You did not come to HK for and on the back of that job, did you now?

Joachim · Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 311 Location: Brighton, UK

Ludwig, you know there are a LOT of people teaching illegally in Hong Kong, as there are all over the world in this industry.

A 2/3 month commitment is unlikely, and leaving a contract early is unprofessional, but I was just trying to point out that it certainly can be done.