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dmb



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:31 am    Post subject: Zina Reply with quote

As it's taking up a lot of space in the press. I wondered what you thought. Everyone I speak to thinks it is crazy. (For those not here zina is the criminalisation of Adultry)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was the criminalization of unwed cohabitation? Maybe I misunderstood. Or maybe it's somehow one and the same here. Are the religious conservatives really passing a law that would make unregistered 2nd, 3rd... wives illegal? I thought they were into that kind of thing...

Also, did it pass? I haven't heard, though perhaps it explains why my wedding is suddenly going to be sooner rather than later. Do we have to bribe our new muhtar not to tell on us?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.turkishdailynews.com/FrTDN/latest/dom.htm#d4
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmb wrote:
http://www.turkishdailynews.com/FrTDN/latest/dom.htm#d4


Hard core stuff, that party is putting forward a few crazy laws, but most will be rejected by the constitutional parliament
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks dmb. I did have it wrong.

But also I'm confused. Why would the EU be against a law that prohibits de facto polygamy? What are the penalties for those charged with adultery? How is adultery defined by the law? I've seen references to cohabitation and the zina thing in newspapers, especially in comic strips, so that's probably where I got the wrong idea, but maybe it's related somehow?

If a man has a registered marriage with one woman, and a religious marriage with another, is the second woman also charged with adultery? Perhaps that's what they're protesting about women losing custody of their children...

How, exactly, do they propose to enforce the ban on and punish teenage sex? Shocked Would that apply to 15 year old married girls?

Do I really expect people on this forum to be experts on the Turkish Penal Code? Maybe... I'm hoping, anyway.

Interestingly, from what I've gathered from all the affidavits and everything else that need to be signed before marriage, it seems the woman is automatically held at fault in a divorce, I guess unless circumstances prove otherwise. As a result, women must wait 300 days after the divorce has gone through before re-marrying. Nothing about the guys having to wait. Not exactly related, I'm just getting frazzled from making handouts all day.
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vre



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How on earth are they going to know if a couple has been together six months? how could you prove or disprove that? And aren't they punishing many of their own, more conservative polygamists supporters anyway?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, really! If only Bush would piss off his voters like that...

Are they trying to kiss up to the EU or make them mad? Usually it seems like the former...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The plan to oulaw adultery has been dropped.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think, like was stated in the article, that this legislation was an attempt to distract people from other issues. Honestly, how could they really enforce such laws??? We have some crazy laws still on the books here in the US, which have not yet been overturned.

In 1998 S. Carolina voted on interracial couples marrying. Prior to 1998 there were plenty of interracial couples, although it was still against the law.

In Georgia you can take your wife, on Sunday before noon, to the steps of the local courthouse and smack the crap out of her and not be charged with domestic assault. This is a very old law, from like 1789, but it has not yet been contested. Sooooo, you could use it in a legal defense if you were charged with DA on Sunday before noon at the courthouse steps. Cool

If you're really interested in ridiculous laws..............do a search of US law on the net. We're a nation full of ridiculous legal mumbo jumbo. Some are so funny. However, most people don't practice many of the laws, and like this adultery thing in Turkey, I don't think anyone there would have much use for adultery legalities either. In my opinion, Turks don't follow many laws.............have any of you yabanci teachers ever really had a physical? I could be riddled with TB, but as long as my school pays the fee.........I'm healthy! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there would be a problem with the definition of adultury as well. Some might define kissing as a form of intercourse even. It would be a huge mess to define and prosecute. And likely no men would be hauled into court, but rather the women. It would be a total regression for Turkey going back to before '23. Actually, I guess it's a kind of test for this administration to see if they can put down the whackos.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read somewhere that in New York it is illegal to tie your alligator to a parking meter.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some might define kissing as a form of intercourse even. It would be a huge mess to define and prosecute. And likely no men would be hauled into court, but rather the women.


Yes, and we are aware of the prevalence of 'honour' killings, especially in the east of Turkey, which many Turkish women are fighting to expose. This so-called 'law' would merely give people the idea that it is justifiable to do such things, or become the 'moral police' of communities. And yes it is women that usually suffer regarding matters such as these. It is one of those 'laws' that really hit women and very rarely affect men.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FGT wrote:
The plan to oulaw adultery has been dropped.

Just aswell. I heard last night the maximum penalty was three years in prison
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sod that, you know that playing table football in publics is also against Turkeish Law, they took someone to court only last month for that one
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baba Alex wrote:
Sod that, you know that playing table football in publics is also against Turkeish Law, they took someone to court only last month for that one

Are you sure about this? I mentioned this to 5 Turks and they were all very surprised
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