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FloridaTEFL



Joined: 03 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Average Age Reply with quote

Hi!!! New here and hoping to go abroad to teach in Asia at the end of this year... but I have a few questions...

1) What is the average age of TEFL teachers? I suppose its hard to pin down but I'm just curious as I'll be turning 30 this year.

2) Will many places, such as in China or Korea, provide you with an apartment/studio by yourself or do you usually have to share?? Sharing a place with a total stranger is a little offputting.

3) I absolutely want to be a Great teacher, but... my first year out I need to take financial matters as a real factor. Therefore, which country would you recommend to a newbie whose looking to have his cake and eat it too, so to speak? (sorry if that sounds selfish, I don't mean it to)
Please respond!!!! Thanks!!!!
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PAULH



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan

PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:34 am    Post subject: Re: Average Age Reply with quote

FloridaTEFL wrote:
Hi!!! New here and hoping to go abroad to teach in Asia at the end of this year... but I have a few questions...

1) What is the average age of TEFL teachers? I suppose its hard to pin down but I'm just curious as I'll be turning 30 this year.!


Not sure about average age but most teachers seem to be just a few years out of university and into their early thirties. 30 is still young for a TEFL teacher. Im 41 and many teachers are working into their 60's in Japan. Its mainly media and advertising that push the youth aspect of TEFL teaching.


FloridaTEFL wrote:
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2) Will many places, such as in China or Korea, provide you with an apartment/studio by yourself or do you usually have to share?? Sharing a place with a total stranger is a little offputting.


I havent taught in those countries (I am in Japan) but i believe in Korea you get airfare and accomodation provided. If you look for your own place expect to pay key money and perhaps a guarantor for an apartment. Many landlords wont rent to you if you dont speak the language, so many newbies get an apartment through their employer.
Room mates tend to be luck of the draw.

FloridaTEFL wrote:
3) I absolutely want to be a Great teacher, but... my first year out I need to take financial matters as a real factor. Therefore, which country would you recommend to a newbie whose looking to have his cake and eat it too, so to speak? (sorry if that sounds selfish, I don't mean it to)
Please respond!!!! Thanks!!!!


Well it sounds like you want to make money and travel around and have a good time. Saving money and travelling around and sightseeing are not compatible activities but if you want to save money out of your salary Korea is probably your best bet. Living costs in Japan are high but so are salaries compared to Korea and China. A lot depends on what your current liabilities are, what you can afford and what your salary is like, and they dont tend to be high for entry level positions. You can do nothing but work save money but not see anything or work hard and spend it all, its your choice.
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tedkarma



Joined: 17 May 2004
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Location: The World is my Oyster

PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My opinion is that PAULH is right on the money.

For a newbie in particular - it is hard to beat Korea for net income - money put in the bank back home. Even true first timers can find themselves saving US$1000+ per month - without great difficulty. This is due to low taxes, free housing and plane tickets. Some people save much more.

At 30 - you are still just a baby! I'm 53, didn't start in this field until I was 39. You'll find ages wildly varied -and that's good - it means there is opportunity for anyone willing to work hard and give it an honest effott.

If you look for packages - wherever you end up teaching - you can usually travel for a bargain rate. Just remember that because the package has you rising at 6am for a bus tour - you don't have to participate - and you can often extend the vacation for a low daily rate. So, sign up for those wacky tours that have people running from site to site from 6am to midnight - but don't participate.

Have a great time - and good luck!
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Justin Trullinger



Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit

PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in South America, so for money, don't come here.

But I wanted to respond to the age thing- I'm 31, with a few years experience, working in a midsize school. Our youngest teacher is 21, the oldest, 54. I'm not sure about average, but 30 should fit in fine in most places.

Justin
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ls650



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here, the ages range from 25 to 55, with the average being somewhere around 40.
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FloridaTEFL



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks you guys (and anyone else who responds) You guys are THE BEST. I think I'll be making my first stop Korea.
I would like to clarify, however, that money is a concern only because I won't have a ton saved when I leave. I mean, I want to travel too, but I need to worry about survival first. Smile
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FloridaTEFL



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:36 pm    Post subject: New question Reply with quote

What do you all recommend, or what did you do, in regards to a TEFL Certificate?? There is a class here in FL this summer but the price is about $1200. It seems like a lot, yet I don't want to be clueless my first day of teaching either. Fortunately I do have a degree, albeit Political Science. And I haven't heard marvelous things about the online courses since they don't offer class-teaching time. What to do...??
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: New question Reply with quote

FloridaTEFL wrote:
What do you all recommend, or what did you do, in regards to a TEFL Certificate?? There is a class here in FL this summer but the price is about $1200. It seems like a lot, yet I don't want to be clueless my first day of teaching either. Fortunately I do have a degree, albeit Political Science. And I haven't heard marvelous things about the online courses since they don't offer class-teaching time. What to do...??


I cant really give you advice on a TEFL course as there are so many courses to choose from, some are "accreditted" and recognised nationally and internationally while others are not.

Having some instruction in basic TEFL theory is better than nothing at all, but a 30-40 hour course will not teach you all you need to know about teaching, and will not make you a "professional" in such a short time. A course like CELTA for instance will take up to 120 hours and will include at least 10 hours of practical teaching where you are observed and supervised in the classroom. You should look for a course where there is at least some practical training.

I dont know about needing EFL certificates in Korea (recommended I would say) but in Japan many new teachers begin work with no training whatsoever and are teaching students within a few days, but I also think a little pre-service training for a newbie wont hurt either- you get what you pay for though when you buy a course, and I dont think $1200 buys a lot of instruction. I could be wrong though. Its usually a lot of money for someone just starting out but you may just have to go with that just in the beginning especially as you dont know how long you will continue teaching or remain in the teaching field.

What do you know about the course and the reputation and expertise of the instructors? Is the course recognised and who is it recognised by?
Maybe posting on the Teacher Training forum you can get some answers about the particular course you are thinking off- ask guys like Jeff Mohammed who is a teacher trainer in the US.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:25 am    Post subject: Re: New question Reply with quote

FloridaTEFL wrote:
What do you all recommend, or what did you do, in regards to a TEFL Certificate?? There is a class here in FL this summer but the price is about $1200. It seems like a lot, yet I don't want to be clueless my first day of teaching either. Fortunately I do have a degree, albeit Political Science. And I haven't heard marvelous things about the online courses since they don't offer class-teaching time. What to do...??


More info on obtaining TEFL certificates

Caveat Emptor

http://www.efl-law.com/Tesol_Certificates.html
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Jazz1975



Joined: 14 Feb 2006
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Location: Zama, Kanagawa

PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whew! Glad I found this thread. I don't feel so "old" anymore (I just turned 30 at the end of last year).
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding TEFL Certificates, you get what you pay for. Just beware of places that "guarantee" you a job after you graduate. If you have a degree in a non-teaching related field, consider getting the certificate (I did), no matter how good you think your own English is. Being a native English speaker does not mean you can teach the language. Also consider how long you plan to teach. If it's only for a year, the certificate may not be worth it.

For those planning to live in Korea, money isn't everything. The Korea forum here is in turmoil because of the problems the teachers have there, and you need special permission to join the forum. There are also many unscrupulous school managers, so I've heard, and your visa is tied directly to the school. Here in Japan, however, it is not, so if you lose your job, you still keep your visa and can remain in the country.
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bhog



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Location: KCMO

PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted to bump this one back up as I've been curious about the average age question myself. I'm 29.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the most accurate information on average age of teachers (there probably is no TRUE accurate figures available, so you will have to rely on people who have lived in countries a while), I think it is important to pin down what sort of teaching field you are pursuing and to cite a country.

Teaching field could be conversation schools, mainstream schools, international schools, or colleges & universities.

Here in Japan, the first 2 attract a lot of the "younger set", those in their 20s and 30s because they are easier to break into. As Paul wrote, you'll probably find people in these areas to be late 20s or early 30s (with exceptions like me). Most universities have their upper age limits set here at around 35, but some of us are a bit older. Since most universities want people with master's degrees and Ph.D. degrees, you know they are going to be slightly older than the people in conversation schools. International schools require that people have licenses to teach in their own country, plus some experience teaching there, so again, these are going to be a bit older than many conversation school teachers.
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fifty-four here. Started in '92 - never looked back.
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Pinkpepper



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

umm...wow, now I feel young. I am 23 and have my first teaching job in July.

Is my age going to be a problem?
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