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 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:19 am Post subject: Unqualified ''Teachers'' |
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| I have come across someone on the newbie forum who has no degree, teaching qualifications or experience yet wants to come to Turkey and teach. The same person has also PMed me asking for assistance. What do you all think about helping someone like that? Should we as professionals help those without qualifications or not? |
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howmucharefags
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| Give him what he wants. |
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molly farquharson
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| We as professionals should tell a person like this what it is he/she needs to do to become a teacher: degree, TEFL cert, etc. I often refer people to daves for info on tefl certs so they can choose for themselves. |
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dmb
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| I think I know who 31 is referring to. I also gave my kurus worth. The poster asked about coming to Turkey without a degree. I didn't encourage coming here. However I told the reality. There are many illegal 'teachers' here and it is possible to earn a reasonable salary as an illegal teacher. It's a fact, maybe not desirable, but it happens. Was I wrong to point out the reality? |
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31
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| dmb wrote: |
There are many illegal 'teachers' here and it is possible to earn a reasonable salary as an illegal teacher.
Sure it is possible to earn a salary. Reasonable of course is subjective. I know someone who has no degree who is a DOS. A few things bother me about this. Firstly you know that the students, parents, employers etc. expect teachers to have a degree, a fact that is backed up by all the lang schools confirming this in their brochures and websites. So they are all being lied to. Secondly the unqualified tend to leave mayhem in their wake. They are often, not always, the ones who do runners, smash up flats etc. and we all get tarred with the same brush. Finally the unqualified drive down pay and conditions. As far as I am concerned they have ruined efl in Ist. Get rid of them and then the employers would have to offer better pay and conditions which would attract better teachers and so on. Also the worst lang schools hopefully would have to change or close.
It's a fact, maybe not desirable, but it happens. Was I wrong to point out the reality? |
No but you only pointed out part of the reality. Offer him/her a job at your school. |
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dmb
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| First, Please learn to to use the quote function correctly. I did not write the above. Also, I do not have a school. |
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31
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:19 am Post subject: |
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I do not have a school.
Really,well it will have to be the school you work at then. |
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31
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Remember, we were all unqualified newbies at some time. Would we have liked a little helpful advice?[/quote]
Like don`t do it? |
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dmb
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| Offer him/her a job at your school |
I am in charge of recruitment at the company I work for. I have certain guidelines. I am only allowed to employ native speakers of English with a degree and a teaching cert. Do I agree with it? No. I have met and worked with teachers without those qualifications. Are they good teachers? yes. Can I employ them? No. I have also met and worked with qualified Turkish English teachers. Can I employ them? No. Those are the rules and I have to play by them. 31, you are probably a native English speaker who is qualified. Would I give you a job? No. Why? Your attitude sucks and I would not welcome someone like you in my staffroom. |
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31
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| Offer him/her a job at your school |
I am in charge of recruitment at the company I work for. I have certain guidelines. I am only allowed to employ native speakers of English with a degree and a teaching cert. Do I agree with it? No. I have met and worked with teachers without those qualifications. Are they good teachers? yes. Can I employ them? No.
Most language schools would like to employ only qualified teachers but have to employ unqualified ones because they offer such poor pay and conditions. You on the other hand seem to want to employ unqualified teachers but aren`t allowed to. Sucky rules. |
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dmb
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| I want to employ the best teachers for the job. My flatmate for example is a qualified Turkish English teacher. I think, a fantastic commited teacher, but I can't employ her. Why? Because she is Turkish. Is that fair? |
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31
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:37 am Post subject: |
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MOD EDIT
As for fair, where do you start. In a dog eat dog, low pay, job without a career structure what do you expect. |
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dmb
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| As for fair, where do you start. In a dog eat dog, low pay, job without a career structure what do you expect. |
EFL is dog eat dog? There is a career structure in EFL, you have just to make a bit of an effort. |
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31
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| Entrailicus wrote: |
Beautiful use of the quote facility, DMB.
What are you trying to suggest when you say this is a job without a career structure, 31? You're really not making a lot of sense today. Please qualify this statement. |
Would you advise your kid (if you haven`t got any use your imagination)to become a tefl teacher? |
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corall
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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to answer your question 31 - i would say that it is possible. there are a lot of crap "teachers" over here and you yourself started that thread "the worst teacher you ever met" or something like that, so you would realize this - people fall through the cracks all the time - i think that it is starting to change a lot more - ie the kolej bracket is getting a little more picky about the qualifications of the teachers they higher. and it sounds like et is too??
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