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travelinhobo



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:00 pm    Post subject: Question on 'degree' requirements Reply with quote

A light possibly came on in my head yesterday. On many of the job posts, I see 'degree required'. On a few I have seen '4-year degree required'. On some I have seen 'university or college degree required'. Of those of you who have work experience, what does 'degree required' mean to the majority of employers?? Does the AA degree (2-year basic classes) hold any power as a degree?? I'm close to finishing the AA up and this would great if it helps! Thanks!!
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Celeste



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you see "degree required" in a job ad, it means Bachelor's degree. 4years at a N. American University, 3 years at a British University, not sure about Australia and New Zealand.
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Doglover



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Celeste wrote:
When you see "degree required" in a job ad, it means Bachelor's degree. 4years at a N. American University, 3 years at a British University, not sure about Australia and New Zealand.


OZ and New Zealand both have 3 year undergraduate Bachelor degrees. I have a BA from Auckland University in New Zealand which is 3 years.
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mlomker



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Question on 'degree' requirements Reply with quote

Do you need a full-time job for financial reasons? You could enroll in a Chinese college and get a one-year student visa. You're not suppose to work on those visas, but students have been known to take on hourly work. Your schedule would also be more flexible by not having an employment contract.
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travelinhobo



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject: Response Reply with quote

Wow. You mean us Americans get stuck taking 4 years of "higher education" while you others don't? I knew there was a reason I hated this country. (Ironic isn't? We have to go to school for 4 years, but we don't get any required vacation time at work. Those who don't have to study as much get a month for vacation. Things that make you wonder why we're a dysfunctional society.)
Thanks for the replies and info. Maybe I'll go with the fake $70 degree from a website.
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marblez



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

travelinhobo,

Please don't insult those who work hard for their degree by purchasing one. The last thing this field needs is yet another 'teacher' with no respect for the education system.
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Doglover



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Response Reply with quote

travelinhobo wrote:
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Thanks for the replies and info. Maybe I'll go with the fake $70 degree from a website.


And if you get caught with a fake degree and cheating on your visa expect to do some jail time. Is it really worth it for $70?
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mlomker



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Response Reply with quote

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And if you get caught with a fake degree and cheating on your visa expect to do some jail time. Is it really worth it for $70?


I have never heard of anyone getting jailed for a fake degree. Creative use of a copier is common in China, from what I understand. Of course, it helps to have the guanxi to stay out of trouble if you are caught.

I'm curious if the AUS and NZ bachelor's degrees are year-around programs or if they also get the summers off like in the States? You can finish a bachelor's in the States in three years if you take summer classes.
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Celeste



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was talking to an Australian friend of mine yesterday, and from what I understand, their high school system is much more like the British system where you take university bound courses in the final year of high school that would be equivalent to first year university courses in N. America.

I can understand the frustration of the OP. Right now, I am looking at the next step and wondering if I am going to have to go to grad school and lamenting the fact that my experience level just isn't going to cut it without the next expensive and time consuming set of qualifications. Will I go ahead and do it? I haven't decided yet.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Celeste wrote:
I was talking to an Australian friend of mine yesterday, and from what I understand, their high school system is much more like the British system where you take university bound courses in the final year of high school that would be equivalent to first year university courses in N. America.

I can understand the frustration of the OP. Right now, I am looking at the next step and wondering if I am going to have to go to grad school and lamenting the fact that my experience level just isn't going to cut it without the next expensive and time consuming set of qualifications. Will I go ahead and do it? I haven't decided yet.


Celeste, it is possible to do a distance masters for $10,000 Cdn or less. Not cheap, but not perhaps affordable.
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mavazah



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there, have been reading these posts and can offer some information about degrees from Australia. Yes, a basic Bachelor of Arts is a three year degree however specialist degrees, e.g. Bachelor Education, Bachelor Social Work etc are 4 year degrees.
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Zero Hero



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any country's immigration department that is going to be fooled by a $70 off-the-back-of-a-matchbox certificate is not going to be one that demands you hold a degree in the first place. Those that do so demand, will not be fooled.

Try that here in HK and you'll be learning how to wash your hair with your eyes open and avoiding dropping your soap in the communal showers.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: Response Reply with quote

mlomker wrote:
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And if you get caught with a fake degree and cheating on your visa expect to do some jail time. Is it really worth it for $70?


I have never heard of anyone getting jailed for a fake degree. Creative use of a copier is common in China, from what I understand. Of course, it helps to have the guanxi to stay out of trouble if you are caught.

I'm curious if the AUS and NZ bachelor's degrees are year-around programs or if they also get the summers off like in the States? You can finish a bachelor's in the States in three years if you take summer classes.


I have heard of people being deported from Japan for having fake documents (its quite possible that work mates will dob you in as most people who do this usually arent able to keep quiet about where they got their qualifications from). In Japan they dont even give you time to pack when they pick you up. A few nights in the slammer and then they ship you home.

Summer is January-February in New Zealand plus a "vacation" in June-July. I havent been back to university in New Zealand for years but they have now got what were formally technical institutes offering university degree programs. I havent really heard of "summer courses" as most professors are not teaching during the summer break either. Im a bit out of the loop on that one.
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mlomker



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Response Reply with quote

[quote]I have heard of people being deported from Japan for having fake documents [\quote]

Exactly. The worst that'll happen to the people with fake degrees is getting deported. That really isn't much of a risk for the type of person that would fake a degree in the first place. They'll be barred from the country for a while but can always move on to another one.
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rel



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mavazah wrote:
Hi there, have been reading these posts and can offer some information about degrees from Australia. Yes, a basic Bachelor of Arts is a three year degree however specialist degrees, e.g. Bachelor Education, Bachelor Social Work etc are 4 year degrees.


This is true for the university Im attending.. the honors/specialist Bachelor degrees are 120 credits(4years) and the regular Bachelor degrees 90 credits are 3 years.
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