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Anybody supporting a family with an eikaiwa school revenue?
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Hall



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 6:16 am    Post subject: Anybody supporting a family with an eikaiwa school revenue? Reply with quote

Just curious.

I'm sure some teachers end up meeting a nice girl and one thing leads to another and BAM you've got kids.

Are any of you supporting families with an Eikaiwa school revenue?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have two little ones of my own that I am raising here and a non-working wife and based on my experience I would say that raising a family on an ekaiwa income is next to impossible, unless you live in a cardboard box on the Sumida river and eat cup ramen for meals. Food costs, education and transport costs are my biggest expenses.
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Hall



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehe.

So you started out in Eikaiwa and moved on to better things?
What are you doing now?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach full time at a university and have a Masters degree. My daughter goes to an international school and my son (4) goes to a private Japanese kindergarten. I did teach at a conversation school in my early days in Japan but since 1990 have taught part time at universities.

We put aside some money every month for savings pension, insurance etc but my average out goings are 400-450,000 yen a month. I think you would need AT LEAST 350,000 yen a month coming in to support more than 2 people, especially if your wife is not working (I think if you have kids you can forget about that). If you had kids and are on an eikaiwa income you would need to think about increasing your qualifications/skills and/or earnings every month either from privates or non-teaching income.
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Hall



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have a master's degree.
I thought it was impossible to get tenure at a Japanese university.
How did you go about getting a full-time job at a university?

Sorry for all the questions...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hall wrote:
I also have a master's degree.
I thought it was impossible to get tenure at a Japanese university.


Sorry for all the questions...


I am full time (8 classes a week, bonus, office etc) but dont have full tenure, but a non-tenured limited term contract. My contract as Guest lecturer is up next year and I have to look for another job as I can not continue at my university (this is my 5th year as a full timer.)

You can get short- (1-3 years) contract full time positions if you have a Masters and publications. Tenured positions (associate professor, full professor) require a great deal in the way of publications and research, and you usually require a minimum of a phD, and you either have to wait for someone to retire or die before positions open up. Getting a foot in is usually from hearing about jobs from someone on the inside, getting a lucky break, or having all your balls lined up in a row when the position opens. If you go to the site at http://www.debito.org/greenlist.html you can see the universities which offer full tenure to foreigners. The blacklist at http://www.debito.org/blacklist.html has all the universities which hire foreigners on limited term contracts.

getting positions and keeping them at Japanese universities is looking more and more tenuous- contracts are getting shorter, the the bar for getting jobs is being set higher and there is much more competition.

Kansai university in Osaka for example, offers 1 year contracts, renewed twice (maximum 3 years) before you have to leave. Not very comforting when you have 2 kids in school and you are paying international school fees, and trying to fing jobs and housing in the same area.


Hall wrote:
How did you go about getting a full-time job at a university?

Sorry for all the questions...


That will depend on whether and how many publications you have (at least 3 to get an interview, see my post on another thread lower down on this page)

You satisfy the requirements in the official postings by the university.There are several places that universities advertise both in Japanese and English. You will need (among other things, depending on the university)
CV in English and preferably in Japanese, listing your educational background, teaching experience and publications
Copies of your degrees and transcripts.
1-2 page report of your experience, teaching philosophy and your research aims
A video of your teaching a class
references from a superior or professional teaching colleague, usually a professor.
Abstracts of your publications written in Japanese and a copy of each of those publications
Japanese ability preferred but not mandatory. Should be able to handle administrative tasks and handle office memos, deal with office staff etc.
If you get into a non-Liberal Arts, medical or a tech university many staff will not be able to speak English well.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 2:00 am    Post subject: From the ELT website Reply with quote

Some Do's and Don'ts for Getting Hired
Don't get a list of schools in Japan and then waste incredible amounts on copying and postage costs sending your resume to all the schools listed. Most schools do not maintain files of applicants, especially not ones coming from overseas in a foreign language. Schools accept applications when they are conducting searches to fill specific jobs in their organisational structure. Do target your job search to those jobs which are available. The key, then, is to be effective in finding out about what jobs are open.

The Web and its many search and directory facilities open up incredible possibilities in finding job listings for Japan, and many if not most schools put out certain job announcements overseas. However, the better publicised an attractive job is, the more likely it is to have a large number of highly qualified applicants. Because of this, one of the smartest ways to do effective job searches is the old fashioned way: personal contacts and connections.

Check in at your undergraduate or graduate school to find job announcements; some of these may be targeted particularly at your school because it has some sort of special sister school relationship with a college or university in Japan.

About Duties and Qualifications
Internationals are often hired for select positions that are meant to complement the majority of staff positions held by Japanese nationals. International ELT professionals are almost invariably expected to teach English speaking and listening skills as a primary responsibility. At the tertiary level, duties may also include English writing and reading skills as well.

Especially at national and public schools, foreign instructors teach the larger, survey-type, "service" courses, while Japanese nationals teach the smaller, so-called "advanced" classes geared towards junior and senior students working to complete their majors. Since university instructors and professors are expected to plan, implement and evaluate their own classes without help or collaboration, it is vital for candidates to show experiences and abilities that indicate a capacity to adapt quickly and teach independently.

Experience
Generally, it is preferred that all applicants have at least two years of experience teaching (in order of desirability) 1) at a Japanese university or college, 2) at a junior or senior high school in Japan, 3) at an overseas college where the subject taught was EFL. Being able to show a successful track record with Japanese students is extremely helpful. The reason is simple: hiring a non-Japanese represents a great investment in time and money; this will have been wasted if the international proves unable (as a significant proportion do) to complete the full-term of his or her contract.

Qualifications
Having a master's degree in either TESOL or applied linguistics has been considered de rigueur (though such a qualification is only now becoming common among Japanese teachers). Recently, however, a significant number of positions have required a degree in another speciality (such as business), either in addition to, or in lieu of, the more traditional TESOL-related degree. Three publications are the usual minimum requirement for employment consideration at many schools, especially for the "kyouin" positions. Having more is helpful, but be careful about seeming to pad your resume with marginally relevant publications.

Age
Age is another important issue: it is often very difficult for foreign nationals above the age of 35 to find full-time employment in Japan at the tertiary level unless they have either a significant amount of experience teaching in Japanese universities or an impressive publishing record. Having both is often necessary. If older teachers do manage to find work, it is often because a particular department really wanted them for a particular speciality.

To be fair to those departments who seem guilty of "age discrimination" here - one thing else must be said: if promotion in many places is still based on seniority, and if departments are under scrutiny and criticism for making promotion too much a matter of course (i.e. ageing), then it makes very good sense for a department to hire the youngest candidate available. Such age bias often applies to Japanese nationals as well as international candidates.

Japanese Language Skills
Finally, there's the sticky question of Japanese ability. Some universities include intermediate to advanced Japanese skills among their minimum requirements; many do not. The general rule seems to be this: Japanese skills are rarely necessary to qualify for short-term, "gaikokujin kyoushi"-type positions; most schools offering long-term "kyouin" positions, however, expect you to be reasonably conversant in the language before applying.

Furthermore, while schools located in the bigger cities (e.g., Tokyo, Kyoto, etc.) rarely ask for Japanese ability, schools located outside these metropolises almost invariably make Japanese skills one of their requirements. As the competition for employment among foreigners is often quite fierce in the major metropolises, learning some Japanese might be just the thing to separate you from the pack.
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Brooks



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know of two men (one Brit, one Kiwi) who are married to Japanese women and they each have a child and they work at an eikaiwa.
I think one or both of the women work.
The New Zealander has at least two jobs. He can get grumpy, which is understandable. I think he joined a union.

So it can be done but life is easier if you work at a public or private school, and get a couple bonuses a year.

Brooks
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just want to add that I own a fairly large car and send my daughter to a school which demands high school fees. My son goes to a Japanese school and the fees are about 35,000 yen a month for a private kindergarten. Nursery fees depend on age, as children require less attention as they get older and there are more children per class.

If you can manage without a car and enrol them in Japanese schools you could save money but that raises the issue of whether and how you bring them bilingual, speaking English and/ or with a western education, especially if you are working crazy hours at a language school and your wife is by herself at home with a toddler.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I think you would need AT LEAST 350,000 yen a month coming in to support more than 2 people, especially if your wife is not working (I think if you have kids you can forget about that).


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I know of two men (one Brit, one Kiwi) who are married to Japanese women and they each have a child and they work at an eikaiwa.
I think one or both of the women work.
The New Zealander has at least two jobs. He can get grumpy, which is understandable. I think he joined a union.


Before everyone starts throwing out their examples of who lives on what salary with or without a working wife, you must take into account several factors:

where do you live?
how much rent do you pay?
how much does that working wife make?
how much travel is needed for someone to make that salary (some people do classes out of their home, others work in cafes)?
what other expenses do they have (trips back to the home country, debts back home or in Japan, insurance payments)?
what is the general lifestyle of the couple/family?
what is the age of the children?

I think what Paul and Brooks have mentioned here is just the tip of the iceberg. I could mention that I know of bicultural couples with one or two kids that are living on a 350,000 yen/month budget, too, but each has different factors to consider.

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So it can be done but life is easier if you work at a public or private school, and get a couple bonuses a year.


I work at a private high school, and on my 3-year renewable contract, full-time foreign teachers don't get bonuses, so don't count on that all the time.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Quote:

Before everyone starts throwing out their examples of who lives on what salary with or without a working wife, you must take into account several factors:

(this will be different from other people but this will give you an idea of my monthly expenses, including non-necessities)


where do you live?
Sakyo-ku, Kyoto
how much rent do you pay?
25,000 yen a month (employer supplied housing). No mortgage. No key money. (Normal rents in my area are around 100,000 yen for a 2DK)
how much does that working wife make?
Not working since 2nd child is born
how much travel is needed for someone to make that salary (some people do classes out of their home, others work in cafes)?
No travel needed for teaching as I live next to college but weekend work requires travel all over Kansai. When I was part time I was spending 20,000-30,000 a month on train fares.
what other expenses do they have (trips back to the home country, debts back home or in Japan, insurance payments)?

Overseas trip once a year (airfare is about 300,000 return for 4 people to New Zealand depending on airline), overseas spending money, car rental etc.
Credit card debt (savings fund, offshore pension etc)
O'seas Life Insurance, pension
Health Insurance (paid by school, 35,000)
City Tax Spending money for wife and I (40,000)
Kids school expenses (juku, school trips- 20-30,000 a month, doesnt include school fees)
Pension & college fund for kids(have recently been putting aside about 50,000 a month)
Car expenses,parking space, registration etc (30,000)
Food(50,000)
Utilities(40,000)
Graduate study, books etc
Video rental
Clothing
Dog food, pet expenses etc

what is the general lifestyle of the couple/family?
non smoking, wife is rather frugal with budget. Dont go out much but go camping once a year so we have bought equipment etc. Hard to get out socially at night with small children.
what is the age of the children?
4 and 9.



I work at a private high school, and on my 3-year renewable contract, full-time foreign teachers don't get bonuses, so don't count on that all the time.


I get bonuses but they usually cover big things like school fees, city tax, airfares and travel etc . Payment of key money will soak up the next one.
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Hall



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a list somewhere on the net of all the job openings in Japanese universities?

I'd also like to know about other listings for openings in fields other than English. That list could be in Japanese, I can handle it.

Thank you
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hall

go to http://jrecin.jst.go.jp and click on the area that you want. That lists all the postings for jobs in that region e.g Kinki, Hokkaido, Chugoku etc.

Probably best to do a search of keywords e.g. English, Linguistics, area etc to narrow down the search (otherwise you have to click on each link to find the English-teaching jobs)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Support a wife and kids on eikaiwa pay? If she isn't working too, no way. I work at a college and do part-time work, my wife doesn't work, and money is tight. She's talking about kids now, but that won't happen in Japan.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2003 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know of a lot of Japanese who support families on less than I make...
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