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scot47
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 Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:31 pm Post subject: ALL OVER |
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Ramadan ends today. Praise God.
Back to normal soon. Well after the Eid. |
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ootii
Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:47 am Post subject: Re: ALL OVER |
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| scot47 wrote: |
Ramadan ends today. Praise God.
Back to normal soon. Well after the Eid. |
Kulla 'aam wa antum bikhayr!
Not back until 12 November in KSA. We need time to recover from all the time off, naturally. |
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Paul in Saudi
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| Odd, we in Jeddah need to be back in the office tomorrow, 5 November. |
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ootii
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| Paul in Saudi wrote: |
| Odd, we in Jeddah need to be back in the office tomorrow, 5 November. |
Private sector then? Most schools open again 12 November.
Private schools don't have to follow the government calendar, but many do. |
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Bebsi
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:21 am Post subject: Urgent presence required? |
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Let me guess: you have no students til Nov 12, but you have to be back to sit there staring at four walls, so they will think they are getting value for money? Not uncommon that in KSA, especially in the private sector.
It is in such circumstances that one gets a severe flu while on holiday (which I've actually got, but that's another story *sniff*) and a medical cert in support.  |
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Arab Strap
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Aye only 5 more days of beer and bacon before I'm back in the land of shawarmas and Bepsi..............
Would be nice to come back to the 15% pay hike though |
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Bebsi
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject: Bebsi and Shawarmas |
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Still, there's that Hajj break coming up soon. And at least, prior to that one, you don't have the Ramadan-induced student-coma to contend with.
Believe it or not, I have been eating shawarmas on my hols. We discovered a great little shawarma place in the new City Mall in Bucharest, and Mrs. B has taken a great shine to them. So, most days this week I've actually been eating shawarmas. Drinking lotsa Bebsis too, tho these ones have been somewhat fortified by other beverages derived from sugar-cane, that are largely unavailable in KSA!!!!
Sadly, tho I would soooooo love to be wrong, I understand that the pay hike is for Saudis only  . I, and many a management consultant indeed, could of course tell them that by doing that sort of thing, they are not exactly encouraging productivity from expats.
Who knows, maybe they will give it to direct-hire expats in the public sector, such as the MoHE and RC!!  |
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scot47
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| 15 percent not for us Arab Strap ! |
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ootii
Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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Location: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Bebsi and Shawarmas |
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| Bebsi wrote: |
| Sadly, tho I would soooooo love to be wrong, I understand that the pay hike is for Saudis only . I, and many a management consultant indeed, could of course tell them that by doing that sort of thing, they are not exactly encouraging productivity from expats. |
Our university rag announced that grade five and below would be receiving a bonus of one month's salary and a 15% pay rise. This would apply to /mansubaay wa mansubaat al-jaami'ah/, that is, all university employees.
It also said that the bonus would be paid before the end of Ramadan.
My bank account seems to confirm, Saudis only.
Not nice. Not good.
Fahd did not exclude expats.
Perhaps it is not deliberate, I say. Perhaps it is an error? Perhaps someone will point it out and quietly rectify it.
Probably not. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:24 am Post subject: reasons |
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I was told that as foreigners we are not 'civil servants' but 'contractors'.
Hmmmm ! |
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ootii
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:07 am Post subject: Re: reasons |
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| scot47 wrote: |
I was told that as foreigners we are not 'civil servants' but 'contractors'.
Hmmmm ! |
They're called /muta`aaqidiin/, which means "contracted employees". I don't know about the legal ramifications of this, but it probably refers to contractual obligations of both parties, which are in addition to the usual obligations imposed by the labor laws.
The term /manSuub/, used in the newspaper article I cited, means simply "employee". The usual word for employee is, however, /muwaadhif/, which is usually used in the sense of "civil servant" when referring to government employees. Mansuub is anything (or anyone) attributed to something - the dictionary (Wehr / Cowan ) gives, "related, brought into relation, attributed, ascribed". The word /nasiib/, for instance, means "brother-in-law", or, more broadly, any relation by marriage.
A Saudi teacher who is employed part time on a term by term basis would also be /muta`qid/, but these are generally referred to as /muta`aawiniin/, - some one who co-operates with you. |
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DesertStar
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Don't worry about words and what they mean in this region. In the UAE, the well received announcement of a %15 raise for expat state employees never materialized. Doubt that it will ever happen.
Both disappointing and disastrous over here, as pirces have been increasing ever since.
'Read my lips, .......' no matter how credible the source ought to be, don't believe what you hear...
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ootii
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| DesertStar wrote: |
Don't worry about words and what they mean in this region. In the UAE, the well received announcement of a %15 raise for expat state employees never materialized. Doubt that it will ever happen.
Both disappointing and disastrous over here, as pirces have been increasing ever since.
'Read my lips, .......' no matter how credible the source ought to be, don't believe what you hear...
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Old hands in the Arab world know this well. Words are mostly smoke, and we always wait to see what people will do, not what they say they will do, which is, more often than not, an espression of what they would really "like" to do if they could, or what they would really like you to believe that they will do, if you can bring yourself to a leap of faith.
In one ear and out the other is the best rule I can muster.
And we wonder why our students are so "inattentive".
Omar |
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Stephen Jones
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| Our university rag announced that grade five and below would be receiving a bonus of one month's salary and a 15% pay rise. |
If that's government grade five and below, even the secretaries would be over the limit. Janitors and security men would be the only ones low-down enough. |
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Mark100
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| I believe the Aramco direct hire employess which includes western expats recieved a months salary bonus in lieu of the kings recent passing but the contractors for Aramco got nothing. |
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