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CyberStylz
Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Posts: 16 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 4:13 am Post subject: Male or Female? |
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Hi All!!
I'm just trying to get a feel of the guy/girl ratio in this industry... |
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PanamaTeacher
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 278 Location: Panama
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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your methodology will not give you the data you want
try it another way (how many males or females in dave's esl cafe newbie forum that have an interest in answering your question are male or female?)
so far you have one male |
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CyberStylz
Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Posts: 16 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Good point! I realised that about 10 mins after my post. If some people out working can give me their insight on the ratios, that would be great too. |
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dyak
Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 630
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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But where is all this data going? Are you an insider? Are you practicing for teaching level 1? Am I me and you you? Agghhhh... I'm paranoid, and male. |
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Celeste
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 814 Location: Fukuoka City, Japan
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:11 am Post subject: |
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When I was teaching EFL in Vancouver, Canada, the majority of the teachers were women(My school had a staff of 20 teachers and there were only 5 men on staff.). In Korea, it was overwhelmingly a male dominated industry(In my city I knew about 40 foreign teachers and only 5 of them were women). In Japan, there are more women teachers than there were in Korea, but I would say that teachers here are still predominantly male(Kindergartens and elementary schools are often looking for women teachers here. When I go out with my friends, the foreign guys definitely outnumber the women by about 2 to 1). |
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Sherri
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 749 Location: The Big Island, Hawaii
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 1:58 am Post subject: |
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When our school advertises for teachers (in Tokyo) out of every 100 applications about 85 to 90 are from men. |
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khmerhit
Joined: 31 May 2003 Posts: 1874 Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 2:33 am Post subject: rows off guys eating dinner off the bar counter |
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A few years back, you could count the number of women teachers in cambodia on one hand. that has changed now you need two hands.
Seriously, not many foreign women-- to such an extent, at one point, that they were intimidated by all the guys. Of course, they guys were more intimidated by them, truth be told. But that, as they say, is another story. |
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Ben Round de Bloc
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1946
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:26 am Post subject: |
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The university EFL progam in which I teach is dominated by women, both in numbers and attitude.
As for foreign EFL teachers in this city, it seems to me that there are more women than men, but I have no data to support this, just casual observation. |
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PanamaTeacher
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 278 Location: Panama
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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same in panama as ben reports in mexico |
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Shonai Ben
Joined: 15 Feb 2003 Posts: 617
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:26 pm Post subject: Men vs Women |
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My experience in Japan has been the opposite.Most of the teachers that I have met and worked with were men.The office staff in the schools were all women,no men.I have never worked for the "big" eikaiwas though,so I cannot speak for them. |
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Linda L.
Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 146
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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What a sexist post!!
There are also she/males, transvestities and some other curious biological mutations and surgical creations around. Then there are the gender benders, lesbians, homosexuals, transexuals, cross-dressers and those of other persuations etc.
So how do you define male and female? Is this a birth biology? What about those who feel that their birth sex was a mistake and have taken measures to correct that situation?
Another example of narrow minded [teachers]. |
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khmerhit
Joined: 31 May 2003 Posts: 1874 Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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all right, all right, inclusivist Linda. I tender an apology on behalf of my myopic and intolerant colleagues. Some of us were busy being re-programmed down at the Gender Behaviour Modification Centre on Skinner Avenue--- or was it in Harvard Yard? . |
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MindTraveller
Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Posts: 89 Location: Oman
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 7:38 pm Post subject: Travelling as Cultural and Gender Based |
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I think part of it is a male/female adventurer problem. Culturally in the West, men are encouraged to travel alone and take risks, while women have been taught the opposite.
It's also a hiring thing. In Arabia, more men are university teachers than women. I ran into this problem back in the USA when I was hired as a university teacher back in 1979. Of the 30 teachers in the English Dept., only 5 were female. At one teachers' meeting, I heard a male colleague complain about there being too many women in the Dept.
Teaching university has prestige around the world. Arabian universities often hire PhDs even to teach English. If you're from a non-Western country, and female, your chances of getting a PhD are much slimmer than a male's.
Sorry, went off the track. Got international about women overseas.
Saudi Arabia, despite being so harsh to live in, was able to find MANY women native English speakers as well as Arabic professors for its university in Riyadh back in 1984. Sometimes, however, it had to rely on male professors to teach the women in fields such as medical training.
So I think it's a Western cultural thing - that Western women aren't as compelled or driven as men to travel, risk everything, etc. in a foreign culture. The risks for single women travelling and living outside their home countries are higher than for single men - in every culture.
It may also be that more young men are rootless (without strong, emotional ties to people) and willing to 'teach English overseas' without any or minimal training, while women may be more practical and get the training first..... Then while getting the training, women make roots (family, friends, jobs) and then become reluctant to leave the country.
Now, on THESE opinions, I don't mind being flamed. Sexism is always an entertaining war of words. Something for everyone.
I'm a woman, if you haven't guessed by now. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Sherri wrote: |
When our school advertises for teachers (in Tokyo) out of every 100 applications about 85 to 90 are from men. |
To be fair, things Japanese in the UK and America generally appeal to teenage males rather than females (who fancy Italy or France). Additonally, Japanese women are probably more adored by western men than Japanese men are by western women (who fancy Italians or French).
This poll is flawed in another way: the internet is a man's world.
Anyway, I've heard it said that TEFL is one of the more gender balanced occupations in the world. This was in pro-TEFL litearature, though, so it's bound to be biased.
Women do have a small advantage over men in the department of teaching children (they're seen as less likely, to, well, either drop-kick or finger the kiddies), but also have a respect disadvantage in the Muslim world... |
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RachelA_Broad
Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Posts: 21 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 2:42 pm Post subject: Woman |
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Sheep-goats...I'm interested in one bit you threw in about this poll being off,
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This poll is flawed in another way: the internet is a man's world.
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Do you say this because it is so easy to get porn off of the internet or because women don't hold desk jobs or just because we don't know how do operate this tricky internet thing...deep breath...I am jumping to conclusions...what makes you say this? Maybe I am just an idealist but I don't feel like women are less likely than men to be on this site.
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Culturally in the West, men are encouraged to travel alone and take risks, while women have been taught the opposite.
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This used to ring very true to me, I figured that there would be very few women who would opt to study abroad in Africa for this very reason, but when I got there the cupboard was bare...oh ..I mean, there were only 2 guys in a trip of 21 Americans! You can imagine my dismay
I'm sure there is still something to the thought, but it might run a little bit further under the surface than you might think...maybe women are more likely to go over with signed contracts/housing set up/knowing someone else? I'm not sure...I know I do think about it in terms of where I go...but go I still want to...and not just to Europe (well, mostly because Europe won't let me, but for other reasons too...I think) |
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