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[Tbird]

I'm not there yet, but I will be at the end of the month....My partner is starting a job with the ICC in the Hague.

My question(s) is about the availability of teaching jobs for Americans. I have a CELTA (B) and I have a few years experience, plus about 6 years in the Corp world, mostly in Marketing and Corp Training. SO, I feel as qualified as anyone else....BUT, I notice that there are virtually no listings for NED on this or any other job sites that I can find. I have contacted many of the International schools and been searching the web....no luck.
I assume that means no jobs, especially for the the NON-NED. I am not opposed to working in surrounding countries as well, it is just that I would prefer to stay near the Netherlands.
Any advice, thoughts, opinions, conjecture or otherwise...?


thanks in advance...
tyler

[spiral78]

From my personal experience, I can say that your chances of landing any kind of legal work in Holland are nil. Or so near it's an academic question.

I was living legally in the Netherlands, thanks to my spouse's position with an international company. The local uni wanted to hire me, to the extent that they were willing to go to court at Den hague to ask for an exception in my case. Their points included the fact that no other suitable candidate for the position had come forward in 18 months and a petition signed by hundreds of students requesting at least one North American native speaker/teacher to be on staff as grads in international business/economics need a working knowledge of N. American lang/cultural differences.
The day before the suit was due to come to court, the Dean received a call from Den Hague, stating that no exceptions would be made in any case and for him not to bother to come to court; case canceled.

I was eventually able to get a work permit thanks only to my spouse's company swinging a blanket deal to cover non-EU spouses of their staff.

The Netherlands has probably the absolute tightest working laws in the EU. You would have better luck in Belgium; it's possible, though a hassle, to swing work permits for North Americans there (or was, two years ago). However, big drawback: pay is very low in comparison (though, cost of living is equally low). Over the border in Germany you can likely find some legal work as well, but again, the distance may be a problem and pay is relatively lower than in Nederlands.

Sorry to be negative, but it's better to know something abou tthe real situation. Best of luck - hope you will be able to work something out - but it won't likely be easy!

[Tbird]

Yeah, that is what I have come to realize...No work and all play makes me a frustrated boy. I will most likely try Germany, but then again the thought of not working for a while sounds nice, at least til I am broke:)
thanks for taking the time to reply

[spiral78]

You might also consider Luxembourg. There are no unis and only two private language schools (at least, this was the case a couple of years ago), but it is/was possible to obtain working permits. There was a need for teachers. You could also check the International school there.
The train connections from Luxembourg are very good - you could get back and forth fairly easily.
Pay/cost of living are about equivalent to Belguim, but there is a stronger need for teachers, as all the bank workers have to pass proficiency tests.

[Tbird]

Thanks, I think that's good advice. I am somewhat prepared to search outside of NED. Hopefully, something will pan out. I haven't seen much listed for Belgium or Lux on the web. I am really not expecting much just from internet inquiries anyway, I have really been trolling to see what's out there.
I did apply for a job in Brussels, only to recieve a very quick reply telling that since I am not an EU citizen....no dice!
Perhaps LUX could be better.
Either way, I will pound the pavement when we get there...hopefully something will turn up by September

thanks again.

[Henry_Cowell]

VOCABULARY LESSON

the country
the Netherlands (English) = Nederland (Dutch)

the Dutch language
Dutch (English)
Nederlands (Dutch)

adjective describing things "Dutch"
Dutch (English)
Nederlands (Dutch)

[Tbird]

Easy tiger....

[Henry_Cowell]

[Tbird]

[dreaming_saturn]

woops, double post

[dreaming_saturn]

[dagi]

If your partner is European it will be a piece of cake to get a resident and work permit based on relationship, much easier than if your partner was Dutch!
Your EU partner will only have to prove that he/she has sufficient income and you will be issued with the papers very quickly. If your partner isn't from the EU it will be much more difficult as you will have to find an employer who will support your application.

You say you are prepared to work outside the NL, but do you realise that this means you will have to live somewhere differently than your partner? Surely the NL is not that big, but it is too big to commute to Belgium or Germany every day.

[spiral78]

dagi, I think you mean the 'old' EU, right? Although Poland and Slovakia and the Czech Rep., etc., are technically EU member states, it's still only within Schengen states (spelling?) that work permits are automatic, right?

[dagi]

Hold on, we are talking about different things here!

Citizens of the "old" EU member states can move to the Netherlands without any hassles. All you need to do is to get a social security number and then you can start to work. You should report to the foreign police and apply for a resident permit, which is basically just a formal thing and many people don't bother with it.
You can register at the town hall without the resident permit. No problem.

Citizens of the "new" EU member states need to have a job that provides them with sufficient income to get a resident permit. They cannot just move here, start working and then deal with the bureaocracy.

Any EU-EER citizen can bring over his/her partner if the person can prove that he/she has sufficient income. The partner will almost immediately be issued with a resident and work permit. This is because of some EU law that makes it easier for EU citizens to move within the EU with their non-EU spouses.
For Dutch citizens it is quite a hassle to bring their non-EU spouse to the Netherlands.

http://www.ind.nl/EN/verblijfwijzer/verblijfwijzer_content.asp?proc=halen&lang=en

This is the link to the wizard of the Dutch Immigration services.

[spiral78]

Thanks for the updated info, dagi. I knew about 'old' EU members, of course, but I wasn't sure about the current legalities of 'new' EU members and their partners. It's certainly fair enough that they are required to show income.