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		gringojoe
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Is Mexico a good place for a newbie? | 
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				Greetings to all you TEFL'ers in Mexico!
 
 
Is Mexico a good place for a newbie?
 
 
I realize that I'm at a disadvantage not having a four year degree or any teaching experience, but will hold a TEFL certificate at the end of my training with TEFL International.
 
 
Taking the above information into consideration, would you say that it might be better to get some teaching experience elsewhere?
 
 
I have also considered Thailand as there seems to be a huge demand for English Teachers there but would prefer to be in Mexico.
 
 
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		Phil_K
 
 
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				I came to Mexico nearly 6 years ago (to marry my Mexican girlfriend) not knowing what I was going to do. I finally decided that as I didn't speak Spanish at that time, the best option was to teach English.
 
I found it easy to get a job, even though I didn't have any certificates. I was lucky enough to find a very professional company that paid, on time, with many hours and full legal benefits. I would warn you to investigate any proposals well, if possible talk to other teachers in the company before accepting. That said, the demand for native teachers is high, especially among students of executive level. I would also say that although you are offered a job with lots of hours and a good income, don't take it for granted as those hours can disappear and not be replaced. If you see that happening, it is time to look for other options. Many companies allow you to work for more than one institution. In private institutions a good hourly rate is $100-$130 (pesos). The international schools often don't pay anything like that.
 
 
If you are looking to teach in a school (as in, kids) or university it is highly likely you will need your certificate, but meanwhile the experience in a private institution will be useful.
 
 
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		cangringo
 
  
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				Hi Joe,
 
 
Hubby and I are still newbies but have been here for 7 months or so and we love it. I think it's a great place for a newbie. We only have TEFL and no 4 year degree but a lot places will hire you. I doubt that the uni's will but there are a lot of private schools or you could try doing private classes.    | 
			 
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		ls650
 
  
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Mexico a good place for a newbie? | 
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	  | I realize that I'm at a disadvantage not having a four year degree or any teaching experience, but will hold a TEFL certificate at the end of my training with TEFL International. | 
	 
 
I think that the lack of a degree will really hurt you - especially in combination with no teaching experience.
 
  
 
You can still get teaching work, but it will be "bottom of the ladder" work at fly-by-night language schools and maybe the occasional private school.  You'll make enough money to live (a few thousand pesos) but not enough to save or get ahead. | 
			 
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		Guy Courchesne
 
  
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				| I agree with LS.  In larger cities like Mexico City, Guadalajara, and Monterrey, however, there are opportunities in teaching 'business English' if you have some kind of experience in that realm.  Pay can be quite good, though hours and travel time to various companies make it a bit of a rat race. | 
			 
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		gringojoe
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Mexico a good place for a newbie? | 
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	  | I realize that I'm at a disadvantage not having a four year degree or any teaching experience, but will hold a TEFL certificate at the end of my training with TEFL International. | 
	 
 
I think that the lack of a degree will really hurt you - especially in combination with no teaching experience.
 
  
 
You can still get teaching work, but it will be "bottom of the ladder" work at fly-by-night language schools and maybe the occasional private school.  You'll make enough money to live (a few thousand pesos) but not enough to save or get ahead. | 
	 
 
 
 
Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry.
 
 
I guess working at "the bottom of the ladder" is where every inexperienced teacher begins, but I sure don't relish the idea of only making enough money to "live."
 
 
What about a social life? Would I make enough to at least be able to go out a few times a week with friends for cervezas? Take a girlfriend out for dinner, etc?
 
 
How much experience do I need before I can expect to land a decent paying job that would allow me to save or get ahead? One year? Two?
 
 
Or should I bring enough $$ to supplement my income to live a relatively comfortable lifestyle for the the few years?
 
 
Once again, a sincere thank you to the members of Dave's  for your help.
 
 
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		ls650
 
  
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				 Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:31 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				An example:
 
In my local area is a small language school. (Not the place I work at.)  They pay about 7500 pesos per month.  For that money the teacher is expected to put in about 30 hours of classroom time, plus additional time for preparation, marking, photocopying, etc.  That teaching is split between language classes onsite, in the local hotels, and also teaching kids at a couple of local private schools.  IMHO 30 hours of teach time is grueling.  
 
 
I've known a couple of these teachers: after about six months or a year, they get burnt out and leave.  After paying rent, utilities, food, etc. they usually have say 3000 pesos to spare per month.  That's plenty for local travel and entertainment, but if you want to hop on a jet and visit your family once or twice a year, those savings disappear very quickly. | 
			 
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		MELEE
 
  
  Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Posts: 2583 Location: The Mexican Hinterland
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				 Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Mexico a good place for a newbie? | 
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Taking the above information into consideration, would you say that it might be better to get some teaching experience elsewhere? | 
	 
 
 
 
Yes, I usually recommend that people get experience elsewhere then come to Latin America later. Why? because it's been my experience that schools in Asian countries like Japan, Korea and Taiwan, tend to have some in house training and fairly controlled lessons-courses in place. They will show you exactly what they want you to do. One draw back is that they usually don't want you to deviate at all from that, but it is much easier for a new teacher to work with an established course, than to be shown a shelf of books, handed a roll list and be told to "teach", which is more often what happens at language schools in Latin America. Of course there are exceptions. For example, here in Mexico the Harmon Hall chain has a fairly extensive training program and seem to offer a lot of teacher support. But they are franchises so each franchise could be different. 
 
Outside of the classroom, the Asian schools are more likely to offer you a lot of support in terms of housing, visa paper work, getting you to a doctor if necessiary, than schools in Latin America are.
 
 
 
 
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I have also considered Thailand as there seems to be a huge demand for English Teachers there but would prefer to be in Mexico.
 
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I believe Thailand just changed it's immigration laws and all teachers there are required to have a 4 year degree. Some immigration offices in Mexico will also require you to have a 4 year degree. | 
			 
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		cangringo
 
  
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				 Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Neither hubby nor I have a degree and we are doing alright. Of course we are teaching classes at our house as well. Granted we paying for trips back to Canada but if we want to go on vacation, we would rather go somewhere else in Mexico and get our friends to meet us there. 
 
 
Of course you need to be comfortable doing private classes. Our school is a small private school and they pay pretty well but the hours aren't the best. Of course we are living in a very big city and that's not what we wanted but we are getting good experience so it's worth it. | 
			 
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		hlamb
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Mexico a good place for a newbie? | 
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Yes, I usually recommend that people get experience elsewhere then come to Latin America later. Why? because it's been my experience that schools in Asian countries like Japan, Korea and Taiwan, tend to have some in house training and fairly controlled lessons-courses in place. They will show you exactly what they want you to do. One draw back is that they usually don't want you to deviate at all from that, but it is much easier for a new teacher to work with an established course, than to be shown a shelf of books, handed a roll list and be told to "teach", which is more often what happens at language schools in Latin America.  | 
	 
 
 
 
I applied for some jobs in Japan prior to coming to Mexico and was told I am too creative for those schools! I think they sensed that I am very independent in how I teach and like to vary my lesson plans a lot. 
 
 
I ended up in Mexico as a complete newbie, though I did take the ITTO course, which gave me a basic idea. My first few months teaching were difficult but now I'm at a school where creativity is welcomed, espected. Mexico is, in my opinion, a great place to get your feet wet, but don't expect it to be easy, and be careful what schools you sign on with. | 
			 
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		MikeySaid
 
  
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				 Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:52 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  I came to Mexico nearly 6 years ago (to marry my Mexican girlfriend) not knowing what I was going to do. I finally decided that as I didn't speak Spanish at that time, the best option was to teach English.
 
I found it easy to get a job, even though I didn't have any certificates. I was lucky enough to find a very professional company that paid, on time, with many hours and full legal benefits. I would warn you to investigate any proposals well, if possible talk to other teachers in the company before accepting. That said, the demand for native teachers is high, especially among students of executive level. I would also say that although you are offered a job with lots of hours and a good income, don't take it for granted as those hours can disappear and not be replaced. If you see that happening, it is time to look for other options. Many companies allow you to work for more than one institution. In private institutions a good hourly rate is $100-$130 (pesos). The international schools often don't pay anything like that.
 
 
If you are looking to teach in a school (as in, kids) or university it is highly likely you will need your certificate, but meanwhile the experience in a private institution will be useful.
 
 
�Buena suerte! | 
	 
 
 
 
 
Sounds like you've been awfully lucky. I had an interview last Friday in Torreon at the Colegio Ingles and they basically told me that their preference is Canadian teachers, and that I'd be considered only if they weren't able to fill their need for teachers with teaching licenses from their home countries. (I have only a BA and volunteer teaching experience in Queretaro and here in California.) I was a little disappointed.
 
 
So I've decided I'm going to go down to Torreon at the end of this summer, and now I'm a bit worried I won't be able to find something that lets me live comfortably and save a bit of money. When the interviewers told me their preference is someone with a teaching license, I asked if a CELTA or a TESOL would be helpful... they basically told me no.
 
 
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		TheLongWayHome
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Mexico a good place for a newbie? | 
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	  I guess working at "the bottom of the ladder" is where every inexperienced teacher begins, but I sure don't relish the idea of only making enough money to "live."
 
 
What about a social life? Would I make enough to at least be able to go out a few times a week with friends for cervezas? Take a girlfriend out for dinner, etc?
 
 
How much experience do I need before I can expect to land a decent paying job that would allow me to save or get ahead? One year? Two?
 
 
Or should I bring enough $$ to supplement my income to live a relatively comfortable lifestyle for the the few years? | 
	 
 
 
The language schools described are a good way to start out in Mexico and establish yourself in a place before moving up/on to university work. Experience counts for far more in Mexico than pieces of paper and believe me, you do not need a degree to work in a uni. Bear in mind that this is also the country of rule bending and of not reading or checking anything. $7000 - $8000 pesos is more than enough to live comfortably as long as you don't need to maintain gringo luxuries. | 
			 
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		ls650
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Mexico a good place for a newbie? | 
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	  | Bear in mind that this is also the country of rule bending and of not reading or checking anything.  | 
	 
 
 
It must be nice to deal with an immigration office that relaxed. | 
			 
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		MELEE
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Mexico a good place for a newbie? | 
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 Experience counts for far more in Mexico than pieces of paper and believe me, you do not need a degree to work in a uni.  | 
	 
 
 
 
Attention readers, this is not true thoughout Mexico. Most people I know working at universities both in the state of Oaxaca and others I've met at national conferences have at least an BA, many have MAs. It may be that you don't "need" it where TLWH has worked but competition for uni jobs is stiff and the applicants you are up against probably have degrees. | 
			 
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		Guy Courchesne
 
  
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