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bigsandy99



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:31 am    Post subject: Unusual situation? Reply with quote

I am in what might be considered an unusual situation. I am a teacher that needs to move to Vietnam because my Vietnamese fiancee can't get a K1 visa to come here. I will need a job and comfortable housing for the two of us within two months of arriving in Vietnam. To make matters worse, when I leave might not be totally up to me as the organization I work for now is unraveling fast. Does any one have any suggestions that may help me in my quests?
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ChuckECheese



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's your request?

Are your requests following?

1. Need a Job in Vietnam? If so, you need to check out the sticky thread "What you need to bring to Vietnam".

2. Need a nice place to stay? If so, you just need to bring some money with you to rent an apartment or a house ($5,000 - $7,000) and to support yourself and your fiancee for a few months until you find your self a decent job.
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UpScope



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, not sure what sort of housing Chuck is referring to...... plan for a month stay at a guest house for the two of you being around 400 - 600 USD per month, that will be the basics and will be fine while you seek longer term accommodation.

Most teachers pay between 300 and 400 a month for shared housing and for a place of your own for two people you should plan to pay around USD 600-700 per month.

If you haven't already gotten an ELT qualification, look around, two quality course here, Celta at Language link and Celta at ILA. There are others as well like the teach international course.

If you already have teacher registration from the US then teaching gigs at the international schools are about but given the new year is commencing most will be full, although you may get some temp type work.
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Joe Dolce



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you say you are a teacher, are you qualified to teach at international schools or are you a TEFL teacher? If you can teach at international schools you should try to get hired while you are abroad because there is usually quite a big pay differential between local hires and foreign hires. If you are a TEFL teacher it is best to come here first and look for work.

Contacts for international schools here

http://www.english-schools.org/vietnam/

For TEFl schools try

http://www.mekongesl.com

Comfortable housing should be about $500 - $700 per month. Depends what you want really.[/url]
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blateson



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do not accept a basic room in a guest house for over $150 a month -- bargain even lower if the room is extremely basic or other drawbacks such as share bathroom or no TV, etc.

speaking of which, i am appalled to see that even crummy guest house operators are quoting room prices at $375 for a room to $600 a month for a studio. some of the above prices listed in this thread are unfathomable and nonetheless could be the people helping local landlords quote appalling prices.
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Joe Dolce



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blateson, The numbers we are quoting aren't to boost rents. I rent so why would I want to do that. The OP said he wanted "comfortable housing" for himself and his fiancee. People planning to get married aren't usually interested in guest house rooms or sharing a house. I was quoting the going rate for a nice 2/3 bedroon house or a decent sized apartment.

The OP also says he is a teacher which could mean an international school job with a salary of $2500 to $3500 a month plus perks so what I quoted wasn't silly money. I know of teachers paying $120 each for a house share and teachers who pay $700 for big new apartments or houses with gardens. It just depends on their needs.
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Danaa



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe Dolce wrote:
The OP also says he is a teacher which could mean an international school job with a salary of $2500 to $3500 a month plus perks so what I quoted wasn't silly money. I know of teachers paying $120 each for a house share and teachers who pay $700 for big new apartments or houses with gardens. It just depends on their needs.


Positions at International Schools are highly competitive. Hiring takes place outside of VN. The number of apps per 1 IS teaching position has increased dramatically in recent years. Getting a position might be difficult for this person.

Just curious about the below quote:
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I am in what might be considered an unusual situation. I am a teacher that needs to move to Vietnam because my Vietnamese fiancee can't get a K1 visa to come here. I will need a job and comfortable housing for the two of us within two months of arriving in Vietnam. To make matters worse, when I leave might not be totally up to me as the organization I work for now is unraveling fast. Does any one have any suggestions that may help me in my quests?


You have a Vietnamese fiancee. But she can't get a K1.

Where and how did you meet her?

Was this some kind of arrangement?

It sounds a bit odd.


Just curious.
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Mr Wind-up Bird



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your fiancee is VNese and already living in HCMC, she should be able to find a house no problem, and will get a cheaper deal than you would!

This advice applies to anyone looking for good accommodation here - get a Vietnamese person to look in the local newspapers and 'phone around to get an idea of price first. When we got our latest house, my wife negotiated them down from $800 to $550, then only let slip she was married to a foreigner once the contract was signed Laughing

Blateson:
As with anything in Vietnam, the first price quoted is always going to be 20-33% more than the price you should end up paying. Sure, many guesthouses are quoting $400 a month, but they won't always get it!
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ChuckECheese



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why bother coming to Vietnam if you're going to be living in a $150 per month shiat hole (most likely with out an aircon)?

If the OP is considering a nice place for himself and fiancee, he should consider getting a nice apartment or muti-level house for at LEAST $500 per month. To rent an apartment you are required deposit (usally 1 or 2 months worth) and first month's rent.

Mr. WUB's advice is good one. Take his advice and let your Vietnamese fiancee do the shopping and negotiating. You'll less likely to get ripped off.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChuckECheese wrote:
Why bother coming to Vietnam if you're going to be living in a $150 per month shiat hole (most likely with out an aircon)f.


Look at the bright side, at least you'd lose weight Smile
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ChuckECheese



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
ChuckECheese wrote:
Why bother coming to Vietnam if you're going to be living in a $150 per month shiat hole (most likely with out an aircon)f.


Look at the bright side, at least you'd lose weight Smile


Ha!

That's true. When I was in Vietnam for over two years, I lost about 15 lbs from sweating out blood and other bodily fluid. However, when I left Vietnam, I gained it all back. Confused
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guess the trick is to never leave.
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blateson



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no need to have a pissing contest there folks. was just out tonight again browsing guest houses / single rooms in district 3, every room was quoted at $300 to $380. Appalling as the price should be 150 or less. A local single male could rent his own flat for $50 us a month.

A new person to Vietnam is NOT recommended to sign a long term contract by renting an apartment or risking a few months deposit. There's an 80% + chance they won't like Vietnam and want to move on. In a guesthouse one can live in basic comfort and pay by day, week or month.

ChuckECheese, one does not need an A/C unit as long as they have a full size fan blowing on them. You are also misguided, living in a "warmer" room will not make you lose weight. Anyhow a fan will keep you just fine. In addition, where did you get the notion that guesthouse rooms have to be "shait holes"?

Wind Up Bird, would you like to explain how $300 (+) is 20 to 33% more than $150?
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blateson wrote:
A new person to Vietnam is NOT recommended to sign a long term contract by renting an apartment or risking a few months deposit. There's an 80% + chance they won't like Vietnam and want to move on. In a guesthouse one can live in basic comfort and pay by day, week or month


Why do you say that the majority of people won't like Vietnam?
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ChuckECheese



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blateson wrote:
no need to have a pissing contest there folks. was just out tonight again browsing guest houses / single rooms in district 3, every room was quoted at $300 to $380. Appalling as the price should be 150 or less. A local single male could rent his own flat for $50 us a month.

Well, there's some truth behind what he said. VNese do charge foreigners more than locals for sure. That's why we recommended that the OP's fiancee do the shopping and negotiating.

A new person to Vietnam is NOT recommended to sign a long term contract by renting an apartment or risking a few months deposit. There's an 80% + chance they won't like Vietnam and want to move on. In a guesthouse one can live in basic comfort and pay by day, week or month.

I do agree about majority of newbies getting a bad taste in their mouth within 6 month and decide to leave Vietnam. However, keep in mind that the OP has VNese fiancee and is probably looking for a long term stay in Vietnam. I do agree that the OP should stay in a nice guest house for a month or two until they find a better apartment or house where contracts are available for 6 months or more.

ChuckECheese, one does not need an A/C unit as long as they have a full size fan blowing on them. You are also misguided, living in a "warmer" room will not make you lose weight. Anyhow a fan will keep you just fine. In addition, where did you get the notion that guesthouse rooms have to be "shait holes"?

Well, that's your choice not to have A/C in your shack. But majority of foreigners and I choose to live in a better living condition with cool A/C blowing on us 24/7. I have difficulty sleeping without A/C at night. And I don't have notion that ALL guesthouse rooms are "shiat holes", but some definitely are. I just have better standards when it comes to comfort of living. And as for my weight lose, I didn't specifically said you'll lose weight living in a "warm room". In my experience, working and living in Vietnam with warmer climate caused me to lose weight. Here's a simple science:

Heat + lots of sweat = burning more calories = losing weight


Wind Up Bird, would you like to explain how $300 (+) is 20 to 33% more than $150?
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