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Teejay
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 Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:17 am Post subject: Teaching jobs in December |
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| Are there vacancies in the month of December? |
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ChuckECheese
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: Re: Teaching jobs in December |
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| Are there vacancies in the month of December? |
Yes! |
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Teejay
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| I see. Do you have any suggestions, where? |
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ChuckECheese
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| Teejay wrote: |
| I see. Do you have any suggestions, where? |
Teaching jobs are dime a dozen in Vietnam if you are white and speak English. Just pack your bag and fly down. I'll bet you'll find a teaching job within two weeks from arrival. |
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Micro67
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: December |
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| You will find work in December or any time of year. Things do slow down for Christmas and the Tet holidays. If you are prepared to do some sub work that will fill up your card in no time. |
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SF21
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| ChuckECheese wrote: |
Teaching jobs are dime a dozen in Vietnam if you are white and speak English. |
As a person of color, the more responses I see like this, the more I scratch my head. |
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legaleagle
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Don't scratch your head, the locals will be all over that! |
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Tanker
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| wayman32 wrote: |
| ChuckECheese wrote: |
Teaching jobs are dime a dozen in Vietnam if you are white and speak English. |
As a person of color, the more responses I see like this, the more I scratch my head. |
It think this topic of perceptions and discrimination is worthy of an updated thread, so we can have an update on current attitudes.
wayman32 do not be discouraged.
But there are attitudes in 'Nam about putting up "white faces" that the parents see, so they think they are getting a native speaker.
People that look Asian, or are of Asian descent have the most difficult time, I think.
However, I've seen more teachers of different ethnic backgrounds in recent years.
Anyone else agree, or think this way?
Anyway, maybe a new thread is needed. |
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ChuckECheese
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| Tanker wrote: |
| wayman32 wrote: |
| ChuckECheese wrote: |
Teaching jobs are dime a dozen in Vietnam if you are white and speak English. |
As a person of color, the more responses I see like this, the more I scratch my head. |
It think this topic of perceptions and discrimination is worthy of an updated thread, so we can have an update on current attitudes.
wayman32 do not be discouraged.
But there are attitudes in 'Nam about putting up "white faces" that the parents see, so they think they are getting a native speaker.
People that look Asian, or are of Asian descent have the most difficult time, I think.
However, I've seen more teachers of different ethnic backgrounds in recent years.
Anyone else agree, or think this way?
Anyway, maybe a new thread is needed. |
Wayman32 don't scratch your head. I said what I said in no disrespect to people of other races or colors.
As tanker has described, employment discrimination of EFL industry in Vietnam is widely known. It's the VNese perception that native English speaker must be "white" people.
With that said, I've worked with an outstanding black EFL teacher in Vietnam and he was the only black EFL teacher that I saw and knew in Vietnam in over two years.
It's and unfortunate fact that exists not only in Vietnam but all throughout Asia. |
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legaleagle
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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I hired an African-Canadian (do they have those?) from Montreal (French) that worked with the UN for 10 years. He taught stats and computing. There was an initial flurry of discrimination, but it got better over time. I had to defend him as competent, and then his capabilities spoke for themselves.
Asians have perhaps the worst experience, particularly VK. I tried and tried with several, but it never seemed to get easier. |
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SF21
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| ChuckECheese wrote: |
| Tanker wrote: |
| wayman32 wrote: |
| ChuckECheese wrote: |
Teaching jobs are dime a dozen in Vietnam if you are white and speak English. |
As a person of color, the more responses I see like this, the more I scratch my head. |
It think this topic of perceptions and discrimination is worthy of an updated thread, so we can have an update on current attitudes.
wayman32 do not be discouraged.
But there are attitudes in 'Nam about putting up "white faces" that the parents see, so they think they are getting a native speaker.
People that look Asian, or are of Asian descent have the most difficult time, I think.
However, I've seen more teachers of different ethnic backgrounds in recent years.
Anyone else agree, or think this way?
Anyway, maybe a new thread is needed. |
Wayman32 don't scratch your head. I said what I said in no disrespect to people of other races or colors.
As tanker has described, employment discrimination of EFL industry in Vietnam is widely known. It's the VNese perception that native English speaker must be "white" people.
With that said, I've worked with an outstanding black EFL teacher in Vietnam and he was the only black EFL teacher that I saw and knew in Vietnam in over two years.
It's and unfortunate fact that exists not only in Vietnam but all throughout Asia. |
Thanks for your candidness. I had an interest in S.E. Asia at one point. Even though my CELTA program supposedly has a direct connection with a Vietnam school, S.E. Asia doesn't really top my priority list (or overall Asia, really), because of the exact points you make. But It seems amusingly ironic to me in a historical context of say, mmmm 1960-1975, that they "prefer" a white face, meanwhile many of them are darker than me. So I would expect to be greeted with an initial sordid attitude and a contemptuous burden to prove myself as "competent," like another poster pointed out re: an Afro-Canadian teacher he hired. But again, Vietnamese have a perception of whom a perfect English speaker/teacher is.
My "girlfriend" lives in Budapest, so I'll probably head there.
Peace. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Tanker wrote: |
| People that look Asian, or are of Asian descent have the most difficult time, I think.. |
I look Asian, or so I've been told by people in China and Peru. Weird thing is that my ancestors are from Europe. |
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Torontonian
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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I just don't get why Vietnam still has this "white" English speakers would make the best English teachers. Im Vietnamese by birth and have been trying to apply to schools in VN such as ILA, ACET, and VUS and none of them are interested. Though I have limited experience I believe it is because of the fact that I don't have a caucasian name that they're not even considering me.
Im university educated and speak perfect English but still haven't been able to get a interview.
Does anyone know of any different school not listed above I could contact? aside from RMIT since I understand they require solid experience. |
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htothefro
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Torontonian,
I am very interested in your situation, because I am thinking about going back to vietnam to teach English as well. I left Vietnam when I was 4 years old, I have a B.A. from an American University, and speak perfect English (with no hint of an accent).
I was wondering, did you apply to these schools in person, or did you email them your application? If in person, what was your experience with the recruiters?
Thanks |
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ChuckECheese
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry to hear about that.
Perhaps you can help yourself and other VKs by letting your local relatives know that VKs can teach English much better. Better yet, if you are well connected with some government "hot shots", you can even force these schools to hire more VKs and people of other races. |
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