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zeke0606

Does anyone have real and first hand knowledge concerning work permits and temporary residence permits? I have the temporary residence permit and necessary exit visa. HOWEVER, the �new� laws are a bit confusing concerning the need for the work permit. It seems that the law reads � a work permit is needed if I apply for a teaching position; on the other hand, if the school invites me (visa, etal) then the school needs to have this work permit. Tomorrow (10 April) I will be at the office for the work permits and see what I can see.

So. Let me know what you know and I�ll post what I find out. I am beginning to think every region and every city in Russia has a different set of rules and a very different way to interpret those rules.

I know that residence permits are issued on a catch as catch can basis. Friends in Moscow have tried for years and have never been successful. I needed two attempts to get approval here in Ufa and waited the full six months. I met a young American guy the other day that lives in a small town a few kilometers away from me and his residence permit was approved and issued in two months.

Please folks, reread that first line! I am not looking for sympathy or supposition or what you might imagine � OK. Just some first hand data, thanks!

Zeke

zeke0606 · Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: what?

Well guys,

I was at the official 'work permit' office in Ufa with about 500 Uzbeks and others looking for a permit to legally work in Russia.

I found that since I have the temporary residence, I MUST HAVE THE WORK PERMIT!!! Well, that is to be legal -- this week. Next week, who knows................................... And this is the latest from the Republic of Bashkortostan!

BELS · Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow

I have a temporary residency, and will have a permanent by the end of this year. You do need a work permit with temporary residency, but you don't need a work permit if you have permanent residency.

I personally am not bothered, because my wife and I have our own classroom with our own groups of students. Soon by September we will have two classrooms. I don't need a work permit for this, I simply apply to the tax office for an entrepeneurs license. I have my own stamp and can invoice legal invoices to companies. I will be paying yax at a flat 6%

BELS · Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow

If you are resident, I'm surprised that you would want a low paying employer. By the time you gain residence, you must already have the reputationand knowledge of developing your own clientele of students. You should be capable of earning of at least �30 an hour, and that's �900 per week for thirty hours. What school or agency will offer you this?

BELS · Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow

zeke0606 · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: what?

BELS -

In the following statement that you wrote -- I am very happy for you! But, this has nothing to do with me.

"I personally am not bothered, because my wife and I have our own classroom with our own groups of students. Soon by September we will have two classrooms. I don't need a work permit for this, I simply apply to the tax office for an entrepeneurs license. I have my own stamp and can invoice legal invoices to companies. I will be paying yax at a flat 6%"

In this statement, it makes no sense to me -- what low paying employer are you talking about? In fact, what are you talking about?

"If you are resident, I'm surprised that you would want a low paying employer. By the time you gain residence, you must already have the reputationand knowledge of developing your own clientele of students. You should be capable of earning of at least �30 an hour, and that's �900 per week for thirty hours. What school or agency will offer you this?"

I believe that you are arguing against yourself - this following statement that you make doesn't make any sense to me at all.

"In your situation, what's the problem?? what do you want?? If you wanted to be employed by a school who has the right to employ expats, there are many now! And it won't be a problem for them to employ. In fact your difference is that you don't have to leave the country to get a visa. So what's the problem, as the legal employer will not have any difficulty employing you,in fact it's going to cost them less. All you need from them is a work contract, providing they have the right to employ English native speakers."

I'm sorry BELS I am not following your train of thought at all. I believe I asked about needing a work permit after obtaining a temporary resident permit and no mention about employers - high or low paying; or owning a school - one or two classrooms; or the amount of salary/pay that I or anyone else should receive.

I am very happy to know that someone is succeeding and enjoying the fruits of their labors here in Russia. I hope that you have continued success.

Zeke

BELS · Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow

But I have stated that on temporary residency that you should have less problems than those who need a visa.

You get a job with the correct employer, and it's the employers job to sort it out. Not yours. They are the ones who contact the immigration dept, and there will be no problem with someone with temporary residency. With your permanent residency, of which is now advised to get within a year of your temporary, you won't have a problem. As you won't need a permit then.

I have to repeat myself but someone who has reached residency surely must have felt the high demands for teaching. How on earth would you want to be employed at such low income.

BELS · Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow

Zeko, what has to do with you. Do you have residency? And what kind of employment do you want?

zeke0606 · Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: what?

BELS -

"But I have stated that on temporary residency that you should have less problems than those who need a visa. "
BELS, I don't believe that I have said that I had a problem with anything, so this statement is only your reading into what I was inquiring about.

"Zeko, what has to do with you. Do you have residency? And what kind of employment do you want?"
BELS, I have the two stamps in my passport and the exit visa (all required in Bashkortostan) for temporary residency. NOW, in Ufa, they seem to need a work permit for temporary residence holders - no matter what nationality you are. And I don't believe that I said that I was looking for employment either. Why do you read into what I have written?

Like I stated in the OP - there seems to be a different set of rules or at least how to inturpert those rules for every different area of Russia.

BELS -- You are in Moscow - rich wealthy Moscow, I am in Ufa. Ufa is the capital city of Bashkortostan and is fine in every way. We have all the benefits of Moscow and NONE of the drawbacks. However, this area is not as wealthy as the capital of Russia and therefore the amount charged students for group or private lessons are a little less. And the cost of everything is a lot less here also. So, each person must choose where s/he wants to live - high expense and salary Moscow or lower expense and salary in the frontier.

Thanks for your input!!

Zeke

BELS · Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow

Ok, I have read your post again, and I still can't find what you want to know. But before you state that you don't want nothing, then what is the purpose of you starting this thread.

It is true that you need a work permit on temporary residency visa, but you don't have to leave the country, you simply get a contract with a legal school, no problem.
You won't need a work permit once you have permanent residency. And I do recommend that resident teachers go self employed and get an entrepeneurs license.

BELS · Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow

Watch out when you do have temporary residency , ou have signed to declare payment of taxes to Russia. From that time, tax office will be waiting your forms

zeke0606 · Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject:

BELS -

I wrote, "...HOWEVER, the �new� laws are a bit confusing concerning the need for the work permit. It seems that the law reads � a work permit is needed..."
I also wrote, "...Tomorrow (10 April) I will be at the office for the work permits and see what I can see."

Both of these quotes are in my OP.

As I posted in the very next entry, I need a work permit. That is how the law is read in Ufa. I live here in Ufa, so if the law is read differently in Moscow - great.

BELS - I am not looking for an arguement from anyone. I only wanted to know if anyone else had 'first hand knowledge' concerning temporary residence and work permits.
At every chance, you have read into my posts and confused your 'business' and my 'non-business' life styles. I don't need to work, contrary to your thoughts, as I have income from another source.
You told me of "my" problems with visas were non existant - I know this.
You told me of poor employers - I know this, as most private schools in Russia are rip-offs no matter who owns them.
You told me that I needed different tax licenses - I know about them and have chosen not to apply for any of them - for reasons of my own.

Now, BELS, relax as in ten days I will have my work permit and the world will be on an even keel. You can go forth and be the successful two room school owner and I, well I can do whatever the hell I want -- OK? Most days, I like to walk down to the river and go fishing and sometimes my wife and I go to the river and have a nice picnic too.

Zeke

BELS · Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow

I'm not looking for an argument , and only trying to help.

There could be fur reasons to start a thread.

!: to have a debate.
2: to sk advice or valid information.
3: To give otheres valuable information or advice
4. To air your grievances or celebrations ( Unfortunately this celebration doesn't happen very often in Moscow, but I bet you celebrated when you got your residency, as I did )

What's your purpose? the best I could find is to seek debate, and you got it. There is a difference between debate and argumnt. Hopefull in debate we get a solution, and we also develop valid info for the ones who read here, and I'm all for that. Forums are not personal, we are trying to give valid info to a large number of people in the same boat.

yanbol · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 7 Location: Kazan

This thread has some useful information.
Can anyone shed any light on work permits for me? Is this what they call 'razreshenie na rabotu'?
How does the law apply to people who have teachers' visas and work visas?
Doesn't having one of these visas automatically give you permission to work?
Now I know Russia is a bit of a special country, but on the face of it, wouldn't you think that a work visa ought to constitute permission to work?
Or does having signed a contract with a legitimate school give you the right to work?
Something tells me the answer to these questions is no...
I'd be very grateful to anyone who can enlighten me.

BELS · Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow

I think the answer is yes to both. But you can only work for that one particular legitamate school who has provided you with the work invitation. You can't move around selecting different employers. If you lose or give up your job for whatever reason, you have to go home and start all over again, I think.

Unless you have temporary residency. With permanent residency you won't need a work permit period.