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Hawthorn Muscat (July 08) (edited title)
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Paul in Saudi



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject: Hawthorn Muscat (July 08) (edited title) Reply with quote

The previous SQU thread is a couple of months old. Plus it is recruiting season. I have a phone interview on Monday.

Let me recap what I have learned from the other threads, tell me if I am missing anything.

They pay about 1K OMR/month = US$2,600/month.
That is not enough in Muscat.
Management is not supportive. (Is there universal agreement on that?)
Avoid recruiters.

How about the schedule? The housing?


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Paul in Saudi



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I see the ad I replied to was from the Hawthorn guy mentioned in the other thread. Let me do some more poking around about him. Of course I would welcome your comments here.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They pay about 1K OMR/month = US$2,600/month.
That is not enough in Muscat.


The salary is one reason I didn't take this job. They only pay for post-MA experience. I'll let the others speak to how far money goes, but in terms of Omani salaries this is not bad, and it should be enough to live on in Muscat.

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Management is not supportive. (Is there universal agreement on that?)


I don't know that anyone has commented on SQU's management lately. I interviewed w/ them a few months ago, and I really liked the people I met. SQU has a reputation for being one of the better places to work in the region-less stress (though not financially better).

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Avoid recruiters.

SQU does not use recruiters. Those threads apply to the MoHE institutions.

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How about the schedule? The housing?

I'm under the impression that the schedule is lighter than other institutions in the region, but perhaps I just inferred that in my interview. I asked about housing (since Muscat has had a serious shortage since the cyclone), and she said that they were offering their own accommodation, though one could take the money and seek it out. Sorry-don't know anyone on the inside at the moment who can comment on those particulars.
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Paul in Saudi



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is all very encouraging. I thought I was dealing with SQU directly.

(Where is the university? I am playing with Google Earth.)
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Paul in Saudi



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope recruiter. Not the same domain name as the university.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Paul

The area is called Al-Khodh, which naturally has 5 different spellings - as is usual. If you can locate Seeb on the coast... or the airport... you are getting close. It is between the two - closer to the airport - and more inland. It is quite a large campus and very nice. I have about a dozen friends and acquaintances still teaching there, some of them for over 20 years.

They haven't used recruiters (for many years) and have only been doing direct hire - which is totally an advantage. IMHO they are the best of the employers in Oman. The pay is not stellar, benefits are good, housing is good... but almost everyone has an MA these days. Your many years in the ME may help you.

Get in touch with them directly. Definitely avoid Hawthorn/Majali if you can. Apply directly to SQU.

VS


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nope recruiter. Not the same domain name as the university.


That's alarming.
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Paul in Saudi



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am dealing with this Hawthorn fellow (company?). The caller's e-mail matches that on this ad:
http://www.eslcafe.com/joblist/index.cgi?read=17918

OK, so which university are we talking about and what horror stories can you tell?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just do a search here of "Majali" and you will get all the dirt. (and dirt it is) Probably 25% of the really bad threads have been pulled to put things into perspective.

But, you do have experience with poor management. Cool They are called "Higher Colleges of Technology" (no relation to HCT in the UAE)

VS
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For clarification, Majali is doing the hiring for the MoHE schools (of which SQU is not a part)....is that still the case? Was your interview for SQU or for one of the technical colleges?
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Paul in Saudi



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lemme do a search.

I see the job is not in Muscat. We are looking at Sohar, Sur or Rurtaq. Remarkable what you can learn when you closely read the ad.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a concept!! Laughing

Perhaps you should change the title of this thread.

VS
(PS: SQU is under the MoHE, but functions independently)
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Paul in Saudi



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oman! It's like a whole 'nother country!

So, my search for "Majali" indicates they fired a bunch of Americans with no notice.

Let me see if I can change the title. Bet I can't!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: For Whom the Tell Bowls Reply with quote

And let's not forget that immortal quote:

"Oman is no island."

Regards,
John
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Re: For Whom the Tell Bowls Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
And let's not forget that immortal quote:

"Oman is no island."

Regards,
John


AAAAAARRRRRGGGGH! Laughing
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