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pascalmh



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: FM3 and re-entry to Mexico Reply with quote

Hi,

I am a French teacher. I worked for 5 months in Mexico with a valid FM3, everything was ok. Then i was offered another job in another country so i left Mexico last mid-June but forgot to stamp my FM3 visa because i was pretty sure i would not come back quickly. Besides, nobody asked for it at the airport! Anyway it happened the new job was cancelled 3 weeks ago. So I found another job, in Mexico again Wink I will fly to Mexico in 1-2 weeks maximum.

Here is my question: should i report that i forgot to stamp my FM3, show it at the DF aiport and ask for stamps? In this case i guess i will be fined (how much?). Or should i enter in the country with a tourist visa and then apply again for a new FM3 visa with the help of my new employer (it will be in another Mexican state)?

It is a little bit complicated, sorry to bother you but i'd like to know what to do. Many thanks!
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: FM3 and re-entry to Mexico Reply with quote

pascalmh wrote:
Hi,

I am a French teacher. I worked for 5 months in Mexico with a valid FM3, everything was ok. Then i was offered another job in another country so i left Mexico last mid-June but forgot to stamp my FM3 visa because i was pretty sure i would not come back quickly. Besides, nobody asked for it at the airport! Anyway it happened the new job was cancelled 3 weeks ago. So I found another job, in Mexico again Wink I will fly to Mexico in 1-2 weeks maximum.

Here is my question: should i report that i forgot to stamp my FM3, show it at the DF aiport and ask for stamps? In this case i guess i will be fined (how much?). Or should i enter in the country with a tourist visa and then apply again for a new FM3 visa with the help of my new employer (it will be in another Mexican state)?

It is a little bit complicated, sorry to bother you but i'd like to know what to do. Many thanks!


Got yourself a tough one there!

The fact that your FM-3 was not stamped could and probably would lead to a fine. I think you could re-enter Mexico as long as your FM-3 is still valid.

Now that brings up another point- Was your FM-3 issued to work for one employer? Or was it issued someother way (economic dependence, independent work, business etc) because a FM-3 tied to an employer could be a real problem. An employer is requiered by law to notify INM within 30 days that you have quit. Then you have something like 30 dyas from the time you quit to notify INM and get another job or an extension to continue looking for work or leave the country and turn your FM-3 in to INM.

If you had it stamped when you left Mexico back in June I bet nobody would have paid close attention to it. Now, I just don't know. I am pretty sure they will take a closer look at your FM-3 and passport now that you don't have the exit stamp.

You could just come here as a tourist again. If you are going to a different state they might not check and see that you had an FM-3.

You could always try asking a Mexican embassy or consulate and see what they say.

I have noticied that INM and Aduana (Customs) are starting to really check and take a look at documents and luggage of people entering Mexico, at least at Benito Juarez Int. Airport here in DF. A lot more then they were doing a few years ago.

Good luck!
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sarliz



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kind of had a similar situation in that I left Mexico with my FM3, didn't get it stamped, and came back.

It differs in that I was driving for the exit/entry. When I came back in, I talked to the nice man in the Migra office, explained that I had left the country and didn't get the stamp because I couldn't find the office (seriously, driving out of Mexico in Nuevo Laredo, you blink and you've crossed out of Mexico w/out ever having seen an immigration office. And I was asking people where it was.). He kind of rolled his eyes, told me to be more careful next time (I was), and stamped me for reentry. So you never know.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can give you a good reply for this, as through ignorance, the same thing happened to me!

This will be spotted when you do the next renewal of your FM3. It won't affect your re-entry into the country (at least I got a good official, he asked about it but didn't do anything), but once here, you should go to Migra with your FM3 and the travel documents for the outward journey you made. (Hope you've still got them!) and explain humbly what you did. They will then process your FM3 and it will be returned with and official stamp and everything will be OK. I don't remember exactly how much it cost, but it was something like $250 MX. Certainly much cheaper than starting the process from scratch!
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just reading Prof. Gringo's answer, he has a good point about the cancellation of the permission. In that case, I would lie to Migra about your reason for leaving the country - family ilness or something.

Embarassed I've been in Mexico too long! But it's the old story - If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!
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seanie



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the FM3 is valid, you could just come back into the country with it and say nothing. But on the forms you'd have to put your former employer's name and address, if they are written in your FM3. Then you would have to apply for cambio de actividad or whatever. I don't know how much they charge for that, so it might be worth it not to lie and just come back as a tourist. FYI I have also left the country without getting the FM3 stamped. When I returned, they didn't say anything about it at the airport, but when I applied for the pr�rroga, the immigration officer wanted to know why there were more entradas than salidas stamped in my FM3. I had to write a letter swearing to my departure dates, but I was not fined.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I had to write a letter swearing to my departure dates, but I was not fined.


More proof of the inconsistency of the immigration offices!
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pascalmh



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seanie wrote:
If the FM3 is valid, you could just come back into the country with it and say nothing. But on the forms you'd have to put your former employer's name and address, if they are written in your FM3. Then you would have to apply for cambio de actividad or whatever. I don't know how much they charge for that, so it might be worth it not to lie and just come back as a tourist.


My FM3 was only for a single employer. As i will work for another company in another region, i could just come as a tourist and start the process again. Maybe it is safer and easier?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pascalmh wrote:
seanie wrote:
If the FM3 is valid, you could just come back into the country with it and say nothing. But on the forms you'd have to put your former employer's name and address, if they are written in your FM3. Then you would have to apply for cambio de actividad or whatever. I don't know how much they charge for that, so it might be worth it not to lie and just come back as a tourist.


My FM3 was only for a single employer. As i will work for another company in another region, i could just come as a tourist and start the process again. Maybe it is safer and easier?


That's what I would do. And from my personal experience, the new immigration office will probably have no record of your first FM3:-) Don't forget your apostilles.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seanie wrote:
pascalmh wrote:
seanie wrote:
If the FM3 is valid, you could just come back into the country with it and say nothing. But on the forms you'd have to put your former employer's name and address, if they are written in your FM3. Then you would have to apply for cambio de actividad or whatever. I don't know how much they charge for that, so it might be worth it not to lie and just come back as a tourist.


My FM3 was only for a single employer. As i will work for another company in another region, i could just come as a tourist and start the process again. Maybe it is safer and easier?


That's what I would do. And from my personal experience, the new immigration office will probably have no record of your first FM3:-) Don't forget your apostilles.


I'd also gamble on this route, can I ask, Which states are we talking about? Just MUCH less of a head ache.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My FM3 was only for a single employer. As i will work for another company in another region, i could just come as a tourist and start the process again. Maybe it is safer and easier?[/quote]

I'd also gamble on this route, can I ask, Which states are we talking about? Just MUCH less of a head ache.[/quote]

Former employer in Veracruz state. New one: in Mexico state and/or DF. Other option possible in Jalisco.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This will be spotted when you do the next renewal of your FM3. It won't affect your re-entry into the country (at least I got a good official, he asked about it but didn't do anything), but once here, you should go to Migra with your FM3 and the travel documents for the outward journey you made. (Hope you've still got them!) and explain humbly what you did. They will then process your FM3 and it will be returned with and official stamp and everything will be OK. I don't remember exactly how much it cost, but it was something like $250 MX. Certainly much cheaper than starting the process from scratch![/quote]

I called a Mexican immigration lawyer based in Guadalajara. His advice is to go to the nearest Mexican embassy, explain and show them the FM3 visa. According to him, they will make a prorroga without any problem. Maybe i will not even be fined, otherwise it will be a cheap one.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pascalmh wrote:
This will be spotted when you do the next renewal of your FM3. It won't affect your re-entry into the country (at least I got a good official, he asked about it but didn't do anything), but once here, you should go to Migra with your FM3 and the travel documents for the outward journey you made. (Hope you've still got them!) and explain humbly what you did. They will then process your FM3 and it will be returned with and official stamp and everything will be OK. I don't remember exactly how much it cost, but it was something like $250 MX. Certainly much cheaper than starting the process from scratch!


I called a Mexican immigration lawyer based in Guadalajara. His advice is to go to the nearest Mexican embassy, explain and show them the FM3 visa. According to him, they will make a prorroga without any problem. Maybe i will not even be fined, otherwise it will be a cheap one.[/quote]

Good deal! That's what I said in my first post. Go to a Mexican embassy or consulate. They are very friendly and helpful. Good luck with that!
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FM3's cannot be renewed outside Mexico.

Rolly Brook keeps things up-to-date on his website which newcomers to Mexico will find very helpful. Follow the link for further information on the processes. The fines aren't cheap if it's really late, but sometimes can be negotiated down. There is a set 'per diem' fine for tardiness. That's presuming it's a straight-forward renewal. If the details of the old FM3 don't apply anymore, a new set of qualifications must be met and this will vary with your particular INM office.

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Renewals can only be made within M�xico at your local INM office and must be made within 30 days before your FM3 expires. You already know where the office is. Go back and ask what their requirements are. In general you will need:

http://rollybrook.com/living_in_mexico.htm
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pascalmh



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samantha wrote:
FM3's cannot be renewed outside Mexico.

There is a set 'per diem' fine for tardiness. That's presuming it's a straight-forward renewal. If the details of the old FM3 don't apply anymore, a new set of qualifications must be met and this will vary with your particular INM office.



Thanks Samantha. My FM3 was normally valid until Jan. 9. I left Mexico on mid-June so it is now 3 months and half. Can the FM3 be amended (with a fine) when am in Mexico then or will i have to start again the whole process for a new FM3 visa because i will work for another school in the coming weeks?
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