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Trend? Countries in Most Need for ESL Teachers w/Best opts?
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lovehappens



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:46 am    Post subject: Trend? Countries in Most Need for ESL Teachers w/Best opts? Reply with quote

This is a general question and perhaps difficult to determine. Yet some of you who have been around awhile may have constructive opinions.

I am just beginning a new search after being out of the US for sometime.

Which countries at this time--date: Jan. 2009 seem to have the best pay, good accommodations for qualified teachers?

I am open to just about anyplace that is accommodating and relatively decent to live and I do want to be paid decently well for my accomplished skills.

Thanks for any constructive thoughts.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly what qualifications you have would be pertinent.

For example, university positions which pay relatively well, generally require related MA. The Middle East requires different quals than many other regions...

If you tell us what you've got exactly, we can give better advice on where you might be able to maximize your opps.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Exactly what qualifications you have would be pertinent.
Apparently some experience in the US and Latin America, but the OP has degrees in photojournalism.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=68520
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea, Taiwan, the Middle East. International schools.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most international schools (in Japan anyway) require a teaching license and 2 years of experience using it, not a photojournalism career.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darn. Here in Peru, art teachers are harder to find, so the OP might be able to come here.
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Sadebugo



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most people new to the profession begin their careers in North Asia. Korea is a good option for a newbie because it requires nothing more than a degree and provides a decent salary with free housing. It's far from the most lucrative option though if you have good qualifications.

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matthew156



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:22 am    Post subject: Korea Reply with quote

Korea but forget about North Korea I would go South Korea. Ever since some pervert went there and F***** things up for the rest of us ELTs we have got to jump through so many hoops to land a job there. I have applied for some jobs there and they eagerly phoned me and conducted a phone interview. The next step was a doozy though. They informed me that I had to go all the way back to Canada from Turkey and get a criminal record check, transcripts, a medical check-up and then apply for a visa which they would sponsor at the embasy in Ottawa. Here is there original letter
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I thank you for submitting your application to teach at Somewhere National University. I would like to conduct an interview with over the phone. I actually called you on 90-***-491-**** but you were out. When is a good time to get you?

In addition could you clarify that you have a valid Police Clearance Certificate and a verification of good health. These are necessary for the visa application process and you didn't mention them in your letter of application.

By the way, what passport do you hold? Is it Canadian?

I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest possible convenience, please.


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No I do not have a valid police clearance certificate because I never thought of this when I left Canada two years ago. Even if I did have one the validity would have expired by now because I believe the limit on them is six months so I really see this as another hoop to jump through to get a job. I mean I could go through the lengthy process of getting one once I've been offered a position. This requires me to go to a police headquarters here in Turkey and find out where I can get my finger prints taken, which costs money. Then I send these prints to the RCMP in Canada with another sum of money and an address in Canada for them to mail it back to. Then someone in Canada will have to mail it to me here in Turkey which takes 3 weeks minimum. So we're talking about a month to a month and a half to get this certificate and it is not notarized or apostalized to boot. So if you really require this it would have to be done through your authorities with your time and expenses. As for the medical that's easy to accomplish. Yes I hold a Canadian passport.

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Well, I suppose unless you're prepared to jump through the hoops you won't get a job. Well not in Korea anyway. All potential employees have to have an up-to-date criminal check done, irrespective of what institution they wish to work for in Korea and irrespective of nationality. No employer assists or finances wannabee-employees in obtaining one. It can be a long, complicated process (5 months for some Canadians I know, depends on the province really) but at least everyone who wants to teach here is in the same boat.

Good luck with the rest of your applications......

Then I lost it I just let him have it:
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I may have seemed a little harsh but in the end Korea is going to lose because of its restrictions. At the moment I have been employed as an ESL/EFL instructor ever since I graduated and I am just looking for advancement. Travelling to Korea is still an option for me but it's an expensive and time consuming option and I resent the fact that I am referred to as a wannabee-employee because of this. Yes you will get the Canadian graduates that have just graduated and received their certificates that have the time to JUMP THROUGH ALL THE F***IN HOOPS but they won't have the experience that comes with time. This can be applied to all English speaking Commonwealth countries and the US. From my cursory check of internet ESL teachers sites Korea has drastically increased its need for teachers ever since the new law came into effect.

So I say good luck to you with your search for good experienced teachers................................................

And with this I never applied to another job in Korea (North or South) again
Matt


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jdl



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oman needs teachers and is hiring. Try CECN or TATI; two of the more reliable contractors. Good luck and patience required.
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matthew156



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:33 am    Post subject: Try CECN or TATI Reply with quote

Thanks jdl I tried TATI, lets see what developes.

Cheers
Matt
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt, did He get back to you about how good experienced teachers don't spell 'lose' as 'loose' (though this could be a typo), or its as it's (misspelt twice)? Wink Smile
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matthew156



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fluffyhamster

oops

matt

ps i wuz reely upset end wuznt thinkin kleerly maibee i shud rerite it end sent it bak to hym.
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matthew156



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: EDITATION OF SAID SPELLING MISTAKES BY VERY EXPERIENCED ELT Reply with quote

For al my brutherz in smartbord end layzer pointur i giv yu da korekshunz thet my frend phluphi hamstur haz pointud awt. Luk thow end wundur et my tarabl glowry end bee thow humbul beefor me.

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I may have seemed a little harsh but in the end Korea is going to lose because of its restrictions. At the moment I have been employed as an ESL/EFL instructor ever since I graduated and I am just looking for advancement. Travelling to Korea is still an option for me but it's an expensive and time consuming option and I resent the fact that I am referred to as a wannabee-employee because of this. Yes you will get the Canadian graduates that have just graduated and received their certificates that have the time to JUMP THROUGH ALL THE F***IN HOOPS but they won't have the experience that comes with time. This can be applied to all English speaking Commonwealth countries and the US. From my cursory check of internet ESL teachers sites Korea has drastically increased its need for teachers ever since the new law came into effect.



matt
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthew,
You really blew it, IMO. To tell the employer like you did that you will not spend the effort, time, and money to provide what they require for the application is just asking for a response like this:

I suppose unless you're prepared to jump through the hoops you won't get a job.

It's like that everywhere. Jump or lose.

Your cursing response just shows how little you understand the market.
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Yes you will get the Canadian graduates that have just graduated and received their certificates that have the time to JUMP THROUGH ALL THE F***IN HOOPS but they won't have the experience that comes with time.
matthew, they don't want such experience, and they are not alone.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mexico has pledged to spend more money on English education, but if anything will come of that, who knows. There are still opportunities here and the well qualified can do well.
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