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Can I brng my small terrier dog
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tillymd



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject: Can I brng my small terrier dog Reply with quote

I know this may not be a big deal for many of you, but my dog is very important to me. Does anyone know the requirements to bring a dog into the country or are they considered "livestock"? Wink
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear tillymd,

Please check these threads. I went to the Search function, entered "dogs pets" and for Forum, I chose Saudi Arabia and for Category, I chose Middle East Forums.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=69281&highlight=dogs+pets

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=61238&highlight=dogs+pets

Regards,
John
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:14 am    Post subject: Re: Can I brng my small terrier dog Reply with quote

tillymd wrote:
....are they considered "livestock"? Wink

What they are considered is "dirty" and few local people in the Gulf would have a dog as a pet - certainly not inside the home. Nor are they welcomed in public spaces. But, that is better than in Asia where they are often considered "dinner." Shocked

That said... I have known many teachers who brought their dogs and cats to various countries around the Middle East.

VS
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shadowfax



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogs are okay in Kuwait. They might be okay in KSA compound life but outside of that it would probably be risque if not disastrous.
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GlobalDawg



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A colleague's arrival in Doha with his dog was delayed because he had difficulty with a stop-over in Riyadh. I'm not sure how he managed to leave the States enroute to Saudi with the dog, but he did have a problem once the plane landed. After a day or two things got sorted out and he was able to fly on to Doha. Perhaps he had to pay a fine--not sure.
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Mia Xanthi



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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risque if not disastrous.


Hmmm....I know that the men in Saudi have few options, but dogs are risque? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Unfortunately, it is very difficult to bring a dog to Saudi Arabia. First of all, it has to be classified as a "hunting dog" to get permission to bring it in. Even if you can get the dog in, you will face the problem that your Muslim landlord will not be pleased at the idea of you keeping the dog indoors, and your neighbors will be terrified or horrified if you keep the dog outside. Finally, most vets in Saudi Arabia only operate on a limited, secretive basis since they were recently shut down by the Commission for the Prevention of Vice and Promotion of Virtue. There was some kind of fatwa saying that it is an immoral Western affectation to have dogs and cats as pets, so they shut them down.

Welcome to the Kingdom of Humanity!
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And what's even weirder is that a lot of big Saudi families (big in money and fame, not size) keep pretty large dogs in their mansions.
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AirHorn



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't bring mine, and now that I am here I am glad I didn't. Some of my students tell me they have several dogs while others are very quick to tell me that they are haram. My decision not to bring my dog was based on the fact that it would draw attention to me promoting haram and the fear of what might happen if he bit a saudi child for example. Truthfully, although I am enjoying myself in Saudi Arabia, my dog would have hated it. He is better off staying in the U.S. with relatives.
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TABING



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogs are "nah-jess" unclean.

I brought my Suluki to SA, (I had a little "wasta"), but Sulukis aren't really considered "dogs".

Sulukis and Afhgan hounds seem to be acceptable because they are desert hunting dogs.
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Sheikh Abdullah



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have it wrong. Cats are permissible in Islam. In fact, one of the prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) closest companion was named Abu Hurairah (Father of the cats). In Islam, dogs are seen as Najis (unclean) and if you have one it should only be for security of your home. They are not allowed inside the home because they are dirty and the angels will not visit that home. This is the ruling in accordance with Islam.

Hope this helps,

Abdullah
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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runninggirl



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:08 am    Post subject: Looking for present dog owner in saudi Reply with quote

So is anyone on here that actually has a dog in Saudi at a compound? Or has anyone seen teachers with dogs at compounds?
I heard from someone that was there last year about puppies being sold in petshops and that families in some of the compounds do have dogs.

If any dog owner does read this I hope you will write me. Some of the threads I found were a couple of years old and hopefully things over there are dynamic.


I would like to come to Saudi -teach women and live at a compound. If I cannot have my little dog there safely I will look for someplace else. It is a already enough rules there and since they consider 50% of their population to be less than the other half that is enough. I've spent plenty of time in the middle east but just not Saudi.
And as it looks by these threads I may never end up in this country.
I'll get back to the other countries and see what is available.
Any favorites?
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tillymd



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:26 pm    Post subject: Arf Arf Reply with quote

Dear Runninggirl,

I originally posted this question 3 months ago as a joke. I would never send my "little angel" to the KSA. From what I've read, ESL teachers do not live on the nice compounds suitable for pets.

Don't you think it's funny we would go live in a place we don't consider welcoming enough for our beloved little creatures.

It's interesting that dogs have the vocal cords to speak, they are lacking a developed frontal lobe. Although I've known a few people with this problem.

Tillymd
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ESL teachers do not live on the nice compounds suitable for pets.


While I understand exactly what you're saying here, I thought this phrase read a little bit funni-ly!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess that puts poor TEFLers on a lower tier... perhaps true? Laughing

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