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missdanielle
Joined: 30 Apr 2009 Posts: 5
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Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:18 pm Post subject: Help please! Employment suggestion for new teacher |
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Hi all!
I graduated from teacher's college in Canada in 2007 with my BA B.Ed (Intermediate/Senior - aka grades 7 to 12, English and Individual and Society [Psychology, Sociology, Anthropology, Philosophy]) and am currently taking a year to upgrade to being able to teach Drama. I spent some of last year volunteering in South Africa as a teacher, and I love the idea of teaching and traveling.
I had an interview last week with a recruitment agency from the UK, in regards to teaching in Scotland - but I was told that my prospects are very bleak, as there are few teachers needed there. They then tried to coerce me into teaching in England, but I really only want to do that as a last resort - I have friends who have taught there, and most have warned against it.
So, my question is this: is there anywhere else in Europe where my services would be needed? I would really like to start teaching in August/September (which means the Southern Hemisphere is more or less out), and it would be nice to go somewhere where the odds of getting a job are fairly decent.
Any help that you can give me would be appreciated! I would love to see Europe, but really, I am interested in any advice you have. Thanks in advance! |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 5:01 am Post subject: |
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First,you don't mention any specific training in teaching English. The norm in Europe generally is certification from a training centre offering 100+ hours on site including supervised teaching with real students - at least 6 hours. CELTA is the brand name, but there are generic certs out there that meet the standard.
Not having any certification, or having a lesser one than described above, puts you at a disadvantage on the job market in the region.
Second, 'Europe' isn't all created equal, so far as your eligibility for legal working papers. North Americans can still ge papers in most Central/Eastern European countries. Western Europe is generally a no-go, unless you can go as a student sponsored by your Canadian uni, or have a passport from a European country (see the Spain forum for details on working with a student visa - this is sometimes an option in France as well).
Third, jobs in this region are not generally found from abroad. Unless a candidate has specialist qualifications, the norm is that no school will take you seriously until you are standing in their office, CV in hand, looking professional and reliable.
Fourth, August is holiday month in most of Europe - contracts are generally September/October thru June. Very little work around in August, and it will go to teachers already in the area.
Overall, your route into teaching in Europe probably needs to begin with your choosing a (Central/Eastern) country/region. Next, plan to take a certification course in that country in, say, late July/August. Then you will be ready for the job application process in late August/early September, and should be able to land something reasonable for the normal contract period.
Do remember that you'll need to have some decent financial cushion. You'll need to plan to pay for a course, and you'll have start-up costs as well. Landlords generally want a month's rent up front, and another month's rent as security. You may have to pay an agent's fee of up to another month's rent. Schools generally pay monthly, at the END of the month worked - and you should ALWAYS have access to enough money to buy a plane ticket home if something goes wrong.
Good luck - it sounds tough, I know, but it's actually do-able. Many do - and are glad they did! |
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SueH
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Posts: 1022 Location: Northern Italy
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
Fourth, August is holiday month in most of Europe - contracts are generally September/October thru June. Very little work around in August, and it will go to teachers already in the area.
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Not only that, there isn't anybody around to make any decision about hiring for September! |
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missdanielle
Joined: 30 Apr 2009 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
First,you don't mention any specific training in teaching English. |
Oh no, I don't really have that much interest in getting my TEFL unless it's absolutely necessary - I'm quite happy to be a qualified English (literature) teacher. I'm already getting a little jaded on the profession, because it's so much money in to make money; I've spent this year in University ($5000 CND+), and now I have to take another course on top of that, costing nearly $1000, so that my initial qualification province will recognize the new courses that I've done (which I need so that in turn other places will as well). Anyhow, if I can work a few years now with what I currently have that would be ideal.
Thank you for your advice, though! Europe may not be the place for me at the moment, but that is good to know down the line. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, it's true that without specific English language training, you'd be considered under-qualified for most newbie level jobs in Europe.
English lit doesn't translate into language teaching skills.... |
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Nmarie
Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 85 Location: Paris
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Help please! Employment suggestion for new teacher |
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missdanielle wrote: |
Hi all!
I graduated from teacher's college in Canada in 2007 with my BA B.Ed (Intermediate/Senior - aka grades 7 to 12, English and Individual and Society [Psychology, Sociology, Anthropology, Philosophy]) |
I take this to mean that you are a certified schoolteacher - have you looked into jobs with international schools in Europe? |
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missdanielle
Joined: 30 Apr 2009 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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I take this to mean that you are a certified schoolteacher - have you looked into jobs with international schools in Europe? |
Yes. I am both qualified and certified to teach in Ontario, which should lead to other places certifying me. I've been looking at international schools in Europe, but so far all of the ones I've seen require teachers to be citizens of the EU. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, if you can get lucky enough to land an international school job - they are great, and you do have the right quals. You've also got lots of serious competition, especially these days...but it's certainly worth pursuing as much as you can. |
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Green Acres
Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 260
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Can anyone suggest countries, other than Eastern Europe and Spain, to teach in if one does not have an EU passport? This would be greatly helpful. Thanks |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Non EU member countries? Google EU for a complete list...
Croatia would be an option, for example, though the job market is quite small.
Germany is apparently possible as regards legal working papers for English teachers who are not from the EU, but economically it's very tough...you might want to read through the Germany forum.
Czech Rep, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Latvia are all legal options so far as I know - are you opposed to Central Europe?
Belgium USED to allow US citizens to file for legal paperwork, as did Luxembourg - but I don't know if this is still the case. Again, you could check their Washington, DC Embassy websites for current info. Neither country offers lots of work, and it's generally poorly paid, but used to be a legal option. |
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Glenlivet
Joined: 21 Mar 2009 Posts: 179 Location: Poland
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
Czech Rep, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Latvia are all legal options so far as I know - are you opposed to Central Europe? |
Perhaps a matter of perception but I would consider all thse countries as Eastern European. Not necessarily geographically but politically - i.e. ex Soviet controlled (with the exception of Slovenia). |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:11 am Post subject: |
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My Czech spouse and friends would beg to differ - they'd usually prefer to draw the distiction between their countries and the geographical East as it was the source of the political distinction... which they're happier to distance themselves and their country from.
I think you're still in Poland - I'd be curious what Poles think of the Central/Eastern distinction. |
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Mike_2007
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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I think you're confusing the term 'Eastern Europe' with 'Eastern Bloc'. |
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Glenlivet
Joined: 21 Mar 2009 Posts: 179 Location: Poland
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
My Czech spouse and friends would beg to differ - they'd usually prefer to draw the distiction between their countries and the geographical East as it was the source of the political distinction... which they're happier to distance themselves and their country from.
I think you're still in Poland - I'd be curious what Poles think of the Central/Eastern distinction. |
The Poles I meet don't have a particular problem with the "Eastern" tag although those in more cosmopolitan areas might. A lot of older Poles still regard Lwow and other parts of the Ukraine as Polish, fairly far east even geographically. There is a general aspiration to be "Western" which I imagine echos the situation in Czech (although the Polish and the Czechs are "poles" apart in national attitude.
The one country, apart from Slovenia, which stands out in this list is Hungary. When I lived there most Hungarians were "surprised" to be regarded as Eastern European. In their defence, they have Romania and Ukraine further East geographically and they are demographically the only non Slavic country in the region (not too sure about Latvia here). Also, if you factor in the E.U., even then they wouldn't be really Eastern (unlike Poland) apart from a small border with the Ukraine in the North East.
I also took into account where the O.P. lives. I would guess that when a Canadian thinks of Eastern Europe, they are thinking of exactly the region we're talking about (I stand to be corrected by the O.P. if I'm wrong). |
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Glenlivet
Joined: 21 Mar 2009 Posts: 179 Location: Poland
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Mike_2007 wrote: |
I think you're confusing the term 'Eastern Europe' with 'Eastern Bloc'. |
{sigh} No, I'm not. I said "a matter of perception". I'm very well aware of the history of these countries having lived, worked and travelled extensively through them both pre and post E.U. times. |
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