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hansel



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:49 pm    Post subject: Work approx 4 months. ? Reply with quote

Hello, I would like to start a conversation around the following question. I will have 4 months free time before grad school starts and am thinking about teaching in Taiwan. This would be April - July. What kind of visa is most suitable for this endeavour. What kind of apt costs are there. I saw on the tv show "taiwan tweachers, one girl had a really nice looking apt. This other guy had a guest room, that he said was super cheap. My flight out is taken care of, can money be made in 4 months out teaching. Any other ideas, suggestions, etc...

Thx
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TaoyuanSteve



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly, don't look to TV "reality" shows for insight into life here. I remember seeing that English teachers show on a visit home. Not what I'd call "reality." Such shows are nothing but entertainment. Four months? I'd suggest not informing any school you want to work at of your intentions. Unless it is a specifically short term class, such as a summer class, most schools will want someone more long term. Your very short window of work opportunity is probably going to be a problem. Are you absolutely determined to come here? I ask that because it might be better not to come. If you simply want an experience, then come by all means. But if you want to make money, odds are against you. Most people take 6 months or more to start saving.
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hansel



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:04 pm    Post subject: Thanks for info Reply with quote

Nothing is set in stone. I apprexciate the comments. Keep em coming. I would be impressed if I could save $1000 a month for four months, and have a fun experiemce.
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matchstick_man



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:05 am    Post subject: I would come in June of July Reply with quote

and limit the time to two months.
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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on over you will have no problems finding a job for the summer.
Nearly every school in Taipei has a summer English Immersion program. Lot's of classes and hours.
Tell you employer that you understand the hours may change after summer and you would like to wait until then to get an ARC and start paying tax. Mid to late June is a good time to start, most schools start regular classes in September so you may only get three months of solid work. You should be able to put away some good money and have a hot but good summer .
Good luck,
A.
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Wonder



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most schools will let you teach for a while without an ARC or contract, just be careful and make sure you have enough money to get by for month. Depending on where you are from, a 60-day visa should not be a problem. That's all you'll get unless you want to go through the hassle of apply for an ARC and doing a visa run. The 60-day visa is renewable.

The other poster was right. Don't tell the school(s) how long you are staying or nobody will hire you. Even for the summer. They also don't want to go through the hassle of hiring another teacher.
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brian



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder wrote:
The other poster was right. Don't tell the school(s) how long you are staying or nobody will hire you. Even for the summer. They also don't want to go through the hassle of hiring another teacher.


I don't want to play devils advocate, but should we really be giving this type of advice. Bascially, you seem to be suggesting that this person let the school believe that they will be staying for a year, and then they just split when they are ready to go four months later. Isn't this sort of behavior just the reason that schools started requiring deposits (I know - technically illegal, but only if the deductions are made from your salary as you go!). Surely, if you sign a contract for a year you should stay for a year - unless you find that the school doesn't honor the contract.

To the orignal poster. It isn't legal for you to come to Taiwan and only work for four months, and IMHO it isn't moral to agree to a one year contract if you intend to leave after 4 months. Your decision to do this will just make things more difficult for any teachers that come after you.

If you are committed to coming to Taiwan then maybe you should accept that this will entail a one year committment. If you are unwilling or unable to come for a full year, then maybe you should consider teaching in a country where this is possible without the need to act illegally or immorally. No offence intended!
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Wonder



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian, you are right on all points. However I did not suggest that he sign a contract. Although my advice did imply that he mislead the school, I certianly was not suggesting anything immoral

The sad fact is that when everything is said and done, it's useless to come to Taiwan (or any Asian country for four months), and expect to come ahead. I was only attempting to provide some positive feedback while advising caution.
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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
....IMHO it isn't moral...

Get this, a R.O.C. crony lecturing me on morals.
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TaoyuanSteve



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aristotle wrote:
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....IMHO it isn't moral...

Get this, a R.O.C. crony lecturing me on morals.


Do you honestly need to constantly resort to name-calling, Aristotle? Is your position on most issues so weak that you must resort to mud slinging? If that post isn't a blatant flame, I don't know what is. You're not all-knowing, A. Just because someone disagrees with your views on Taiwan, does not make them a "crony." Did you ever for one moment consider that you could be wrong sometimes? Please be mature enough to remove the post.
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brian



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="TaoyuanSteve"]
Aristotle wrote:
Quote:
....IMHO it isn't moral...

Get this, a R.O.C. crony lecturing me on morals.


Just because someone disagrees with your views on Taiwan, does not make them a "crony." quote]

The funniest thing about all of this is that I wasn't even referring to him. Talk about being sensitive!
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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you honestly need to constantly resort to name-calling, Aristotle? Is your position on most issues so weak that you must resort to mud slinging? If that post isn't a blatant flame, I don't know what is. You're not all-knowing, A. Just because someone disagrees with your views on Taiwan, does not make them a "crony." Did you ever for one moment consider that you could be wrong sometimes? Please be mature enough to remove the post.



To you and me being called a Republic of China crony may be an insult. For someone like Brian, I suspect they wear it like a badge of honor or ignorance depending on your perspective.

A.
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TaoyuanSteve



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aristotle, your posts are long on claims, opinions and negative labelling of anyone who dares to disagree with your ideas re: Taiwan. However, your posts are short on reasoned arguments and evidence. Brian doesn't agree with alot of what you have to say about this place (I don't either sometimes). For you to label him (or me, or any other critic of your positions) "crony" is simply name-calling. It's childish and a sign of being unable to handle him intellectually. The best way to silence criticism is through facts and reasoned arguments... or are your positions so weak you have to resort to labels? If Brian is a crony or ignorant, prove it.
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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did notice that he seems to be a little quiet as of late.
Perhaps my use of nouns could be viewed as offensive.
From here for after I shall refrain from using the term crony when speaking, writing or even thinking about the poster calling himself Brian.
For future reference on the term crony:
crony
SYLLABICATION: cro�ny
PRONUNCIATION:[krn KEY]
NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. cro�nies
A longtime close friend or companion.
ETYMOLOGY: Possibly from Greek khronios, long lasting, from khronos, time.
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brian



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don�t get offended by such remarks, however I do also feel that they are unnecessary and inappropriate.

The fact is that I believe Aristotle posts some good info on this board, and that his presence here is a good thing.

The downside is that he posts some extraordinary claims here. This in itself is not such a concern, but the fact that he posts here as �we� and on behalf of his �society� in an effort to add credence to his claims is of concern. Anyone who has spent any amount of time on these boards would know exactly where Aristotle and his secret society sit, and the irrelevance of his society. But what about the newbies who may just believe that Aristotle�s society is actually representative of teachers here in Taiwan, which it clearly isn�t it.

Further to this, and as Steve has remarked, Aristotle has never once provided any evidence, or even a valid argument to support any of his claims. Upon questions regarding his claims being posted, Aristotle either shuts up, or changes the topic.

I agree with Taoyuan Steve. If I am wrong Aristotle, then the best way to show this is by providing evidence that vindicates your position. Resorting to name-calling is inane and doesn�t achieve anything. If you can�t or won�t support your claims then you need to accept that there will always be people such as myself that will take you to task over your comments.
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