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Synergy101 · Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 39 Location: Jatim

Here are links regarding the new Indo govt and Ed department requirements for English Teachers working in Schools and in the In-formal sector (language schools).

http://jakartass.net/2010/10/tefl-on-the-rocks

http://dikti.go.id/tatalaksana/upload/Permen66-2009.pdf check out Articles 3-5 for the list of requirements for ESL teachers.

(Snippets from the gov regulation)

The purpose of licensing teachers and strangers on the unit formal and nonformal education[/b][/b] to meet the needs of Educators and educational staff that can not be met by educators and staff Indonesian citizenship education and to improve the quality of education in order to have the ability to support the realization of goals national education.

Article 3

(1) foreign Educators are required to have academic qualifications, competence, certificates educators and education personnel, physically and mentally healthy, and have ability to support the realization of national education goals.

(2) academic qualifications referred to in paragraph (1) determined as follows:

a. educated at least graduate from college accredited in accordance with the field of science that Amnestied for educators on formal education units in elementary and secondary education, including kindergarten (TK), raudatul RA / RA Bustanul (RA / BA);

b. educated at least doctorates from universities accredited in accordance with the field of science and education program Amnestied for educators in higher education units;

c. educated in accordance with the field of science that Amnestied from college an accredited high for educators in nonformal education units

Needless to say these requirements are unrealistic, no country in the world requires an ESL teacher in an English course (non-formal education) to have a degree in English teaching!

I know for a fact that the ESL schools have banded together to lobby the gov to revoke some of unrealistic clauses.

malu · Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 1344 Location: Sunny Java

See the thread 'farming out teachers' for an understanding of why blurring the distinction between formal and non-formal sectors is bad news. I suggest that if the same collection of language schools lobbying for a relaxation of the rules would instead stop supplying teachers on the cheap to the state formal sector then this whole issue would go away.

You can't expect language schools to be treated any differently than grade schools if the former keep sending unqualified school teachers to schools under the auspices of Diknas so as to bend the rules for the so called 'international standard' state schools. If the likes of EF and TBI did it properly by setting up a supply teacher subsidiary company that employed qualified classroom teachers (and paid them commensurately) then maybe we could go back to the way things were.

phis · Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 250

Well said, Malu!!

phis · Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 250

BTW... just to bring in the old chestnut about age regulations, as well (as this will probably be raised if this thread develops like the other ones on similar topics) ... the last 6 teachers (that I personally know about), over the age of 60years, here in Medan, have had their work permits renewed without any problems, or requests for additional documentation, etc.

Some new applicants (all ages) have been asked for transcripts. However, there do not seem to be any 'major' changes in procedures at the moment. A little bit tighter about checking authenticity of documentation... but that is about all.

rumncokefan · Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 5

Phis, when was that when over 60s in Medan had no problems with work permit renewals? I'm in Jakarta & over 60, KITAS expires December and my employer is telling me the chances of renewal are minimal to zero. A place or time issue, I wonder.

phis · Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 250

Rumncokefan... all within the last 6 months, the most recent being two people this past week...

rumncokefan · Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 5

Thanks Phis. That gives me and perhaps others something to go on. Hopefully others will provide more reports whether good or bad so we know what's going on.

markustm · Joined: 15 Mar 2010 Posts: 95

I would like to pose a question to potential teachers out there, "If you had a masters in Education, and a CELTA or teaching certificate from your own country, would you come to Indonesia?'

My guess is over 90% of people with these qualifications would rather live at "home," and an ideal vacation would be a two week package holiday.

I just cannot image your average schoolteacher rushing to fly over to Indonesia, as the heat, traffic and even the dirt would scare them away to a more comfortable controlled environment like Singapore.

phis · Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 250

I'm not sure your question even belongs on this thread... maybe you should have started a new thread... but anyway.... here goes...

I don't consider myself an average teacher, or average anything else..., in fact I think I am pretty unique!! People who choose to stay at home are free to do so. I prefer to test myself against the unknown... and for that reason, a high salary, security, clean atmosphere, etc., are not factors I think about. I get high dividends in other aspects of my life by embracing the challenges posed by life in Indonesia (and the multitude of other countries I have lived in throughout my life).

Why on earth would you think that your hypothetical 90% of teachers are even thinking about coming here? Working in Indonesia is not compulsory, you know!! It's perfectly okay to stay at home and work!

Are you actually here in Indonesia? If yes.... why?... seeing you seem to be so dissatisfied! If no... why are you even bothering to pose MOD EDIT

markustm · Joined: 15 Mar 2010 Posts: 95

It was a hypothetical question, I guess was taken the wrong way. We all live in Indonesia for many reasons, and I particularly like it here.

I guess it was aimed for the type of teacher the powers to be expect to be rushing to schools here, with the changes in the new law.

malu · Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 1344 Location: Sunny Java

As a secondary school teacher in my home country (UK) I couldn't afford a mortgage on my salary alone and rental in any decent area would limit me to a flat or house half the size of the one I live in here.

Have you seen the paperwork required of UK teachers these days? A trip out for year 10 to a science museum involves site visits, risk assessments, indemnity forms, endless meetings - and you still have to find time to do your core teaching between all the bureacracy. In the state sector disciplinary problems can include physical assault from students and parents (very rare here!), and don't expect the insults and cat-calls to stop at the school gate. Better to teach in a town you don't live in.

So, that's why I choose to teach here and have a two-week holiday back to the UK.

Bule_Gila · Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:42 am Post subject:

I love Indonesia but I do realize that the Indonesia has unreal expectation in a lot of different facets of life. I am still dumbfounded at this because Indonesias neighboring countries (Brunei, Malaysia and Singapore) have much more relaxed rules and regulations regarding this issue. You would think, for the sake of what is obvious, that Indonesia would lax some of it's cock and bull regulations in an attempt to draw qualified teachers to the region and away from the better alternatives in neighboring countries.

Serious_Fun · Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 1171 Location: terra incognita

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gfisher · Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 20