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Tretyakovskii
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Location: Cancun, Mexico
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| Forgive me if this has been discussed before, and recently, but I had typed into my FM3 booklet language which gave me permission to teach English "de manera independiente". My new INM ID "card" makes no mention of either this, nor of any employer. How is a prospective employer to know whether they will need to get any special permission for you to work for them? |
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Guy Courchesne
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:42 am Post subject: |
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I noticed this too...my FM3 now reads simply Tecnico o Scientifico, Lucrativa.
I would assume a new employer won't need any new permission, beyond the paperwork they normally file when you add or change an employer. I would guess the new FM3s simplify the classification process. |
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Tretyakovskii
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it your understanding, then, that anyone who holds a document such as yours and mine is as free to work as any Mexican? My ID states nothing about the nature of my work- as an employee, en forma independiente, or otherwise. This leaves me, and I would suppose those who might want to contract for my services, in the dark as to what the restrictions, if any, may be. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I suspect all they did was change the way your status is displayed and categorized, doing away with long description, nothing more. My guess is no change - you are allowed to do what you told migra you would be doing in the paperwork you filed for the FM3 (or what one's employer wrote if you're hired directly)... |
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Enchilada Potosina
Joined: 03 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Tretyakovskii wrote: |
| Is it your understanding, then, that anyone who holds a document such as yours and mine is as free to work as any Mexican? My ID states nothing about the nature of my work- as an employee, en forma independiente, or otherwise. This leaves me, and I would suppose those who might want to contract for my services, in the dark as to what the restrictions, if any, may be. |
I think the idea of the independiente status (in theory) was primarily to work for yourself but it's also a good way to work 'legally' in a number of places without going to migra (and having to pay) every time you get a new job. In practice however, you are pretty much free to work wherever you want and moreso if you don't have to provide proof of income/paying taxes anymore. |
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Isla Guapa
Joined: 19 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| This is all very interesting. I have an FM3 "independiente" that gives me permission to teach English. I currently have a translation client that is very fussy about legalities and has given me a lot of trouble about getting paid based on my FM3, because it doesn't mention translating as a valid lucrative activity for me. When I renew my FM3 in a few months, I wonder if the new format will appease my client, since no specific permitted lucrative activities will be mentioned on it. |
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Samantha
Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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I don't believe the actual process has changed that much, as far as permissions. They still keep files on foreigners, with what it is we are permitted to do. We still need to be qualified for the field in which we work, and be able to satisfy INM that we are. A friend of mine is employed by a US corporation here. She is on an FM2 Lucrativa, yet her company's lawyer had to make about 3 trips just for this renewal. They are still as picky as ever, apparently.
Personal circumstances can dictate some of it, in some offices, which is why it can vary, such as with an FM2, and if you are married to a national. Employers who deal with Immigration know what is required when they hire or release a foreign employee. It's all about the paperwork on file. |
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Phil_K
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| moreso if you don't have to provide proof of income/paying taxes anymore. |
Can someone give me the definitive answer whether this is true or not anymore! �Para que pueda poner en regla mis impuestos!  |
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Samantha
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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I can tell you that it's not true for the INM in my location. And the Hacienda is still in the tax collecting business here too.  |
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Enchilada Potosina
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| moreso if you don't have to provide proof of income/paying taxes anymore. |
Can someone give me the definitive answer whether this is true or not anymore! �Para que pueda poner en regla mis impuestos! |
When I changed over to the blockbuster video style cards (FM2 married to a Mexican, living in SLP) they didn't ask for proof of income/paying taxes.
I am now set up to give recibos de honorarios but before that they were ok with pay stubbs from the school(s) I was working at. When I changed over to independiente status it was implied that I had to go and register with hacienda and issue recibos de honorarios but I never got round to it, plus for what I was making at that time, it wasn't worth the hassle.
You don't need to be independiente to give private classes or do the odd translation IF the client agrees to pay you in cash but if you need to issue a recibo de honorarios or an invoice then getting registered is the only way to do it. |
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mejms
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
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| moreso if you don't have to provide proof of income/paying taxes anymore. |
Can someone give me the definitive answer whether this is true or not anymore! �Para que pueda poner en regla mis impuestos! |
When I changed over to the blockbuster video style cards (FM2 married to a Mexican, living in SLP) they didn't ask for proof of income/paying taxes.
I am now set up to give recibos de honorarios but before that they were ok with pay stubbs from the school(s) I was working at. When I changed over to independiente status it was implied that I had to go and register with hacienda and issue recibos de honorarios but I never got round to it, plus for what I was making at that time, it wasn't worth the hassle.
You don't need to be independiente to give private classes or do the odd translation IF the client agrees to pay you in cash but if you need to issue a recibo de honorarios or an invoice then getting registered is the only way to do it. |
Proof of income, usually in the form of tax statements, is necessary if you are registered as an independent teacher here in Queretaro. If you work independently, you need to have recibos de honorarios. If you are registered as an independent teacher but work for someone, you need to have the annotation in your visa. It all makes sense. |
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Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009
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Location: Cancun, Mexico
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| If you are registered as an independent teacher but work for someone, you need to have the annotation in your visa. |
This is almost where this thread started, the mystifying (to me) practice, under the procedures put in place May 1, last year, of having almost no annotations, at all, on the immigration document, if you have permission to work- it doesn't say what work you have permission to do, nor for whom you have permission to work. I'm not even sure you're required to do address changes anymore: I went on line to do an address change, and could find no tramite for it in the INM website.
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For those interested in further mysteries, my wife's immigration document shows her "caracteristica" as "visitante lucrativa". Figure that one out!
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amaranto
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not even sure you're required to do address changes anymore: I went on line to do an address change, and could find no tramite for it in the INM website. |
I tried to change my address last February, and the folks at immigration simply rejected my request.
I'll never understand it all. |
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Tretyakovskii
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:26 pm Post subject: Visitante, Lucrativa? |
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| My wife's immigration document shows her "caracteristica" as "visitante lucrativa": anybody have any thoughts on that one? I haven't yet asked INM what the implications may be for that "caracteristica". |
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Samantha
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| It sounds like a typing error or they got her file mixed up with someone else's, and something you would want to straighten out promptly with INM. |
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