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Levels of English in Kuwait
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:35 pm    Post subject: Levels of English in Kuwait Reply with quote

Question to me at Immigration at Kuwait Airport
"You was born in British ?"
4 mistakes in a 5-word utterance !
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bedwiya



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:56 pm    Post subject: Classic Reply with quote

Ha ha! I am surprised he didn't make it 5 for 5! The level of education here is a joke. Anyone who comes out of a Kuwaiti public school can barely converse in English or their mother tongue. Such a waste of a whole generation...
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usa_in_gulf



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you ask the same question in Arabic?
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can but I imagine I am one of the very few in the current generation of EFLers in the Middle East.
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Levels of English in Kuwait Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
Question to me at Immigration at Kuwait Airport
"You was born in British ?"
4 mistakes in a 5-word utterance !

Four mistakes? I can only see two! Change was to were and British to Britain and it sounds OK to me.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it's not really in the usually question structure, but since it's an utterance, that's not really a mistake (as long as the speaker's pitch went upwards on the "ish" of British.)

Regards,
John
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Well, it's not really in the usually question structure, but since it's an utterance, that's not really a mistake (as long as the speaker's pitch went upwards on the "ish" of British.)

Regards,
John


��the usually question structure��. Really, Mr. Slat. I would have expected better from you!
SR
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear sheikh radlinrol,


Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed

But then - "Humanum est errare" (St. Augustine of Hippo) and "Quandoque bonus dormitat Homerus (Horace, Ars Poetica.)

Regards,
John
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear sheikh radlinrol,


Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed

But then - "Humanum est errare" (St. Augustine of Hippo) and "Quandoque bonus dormitat Homerus (Horace, Ars Poetica.)

Regards,
John

A humble apology, Mr. John, which I accept. I get the bit about humans erring but you�ve lost me with the second chunk. My knowledge of Spanish suggests that Homer enjoyed sleeping whenever he could!
BTW, I�m still wondering about the four errors made by the poor Kuwaiti immigration official. More to the point is how many airport officials in London, Washington, Paris or Madrid could even attempt to ask (in Arabic) a Gulf Arab where he was born.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear sheikh radlinrol,


" . . . how many airport officials in London, Washington, Paris or Madrid could even attempt to ask (in Arabic) a Gulf Arab where he was born."

All too true - my guess would be zero. But then, we expect, even require, speakers of other languages to be able to understand and communicate in English (and grammatically correct English, at that) while so many of us are strictly monolingual.

Perhaps the Romans had much the same attitude.

Regards,
John
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Dedicated



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You obviously haven't been recently to London, Heathrow airport. Virtually all the immigration officials are at least bilingual if not trilingual, and can switch from English into Chinese, Arabic, Farsi, Turkish, Japanese...whatever is needed. You cannot become an immigration officer unless you can offer an " unusual" language.
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for that Dedicated. Sometimes, it�s nice to be proved wrong!
I�m still waiting, however, for Mr. Slat to translate his second chunk of Latin for me. Also, for the venerable OP to explain the four mistakes made by the unfortunate Kuwaiti border guard.
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SR
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear sheikh radlinrol,

Sorry - I didn't realize that you were waiting:

"Sometimes even good Homer nods off."

Homer (assuming that one poet wrote the Iliad and Odyssey - which is highly doubtful) made a good number of mistakes in his epics.

Regards,
John


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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, John.
Still no such courtesy from our OP.
I wait.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet he is still read, well into his third millennium, while we will be forgotten very soon...
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