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mazapan
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 Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:10 am Post subject: la SEP and requirements |
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| I need some help,or information , rather, Im moving back to mexico soon, and I would like to teach english in a public federal school, my question is, is the tkt certification from cambridge enough? or do I need the teachers course diploma? would the two certifications toghether be enough? what exactly are the requirements needed to apply for a job in la SEP? please if anybody can give me the best input in the matter I would be very thankful, I really need this information, as I've tried to get it from the official page of the SEP but I have'nt found what I need to know there, thanks, Ill be waiting, bye |
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BadBeagleBad
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:23 am Post subject: Re: la SEP and requirements |
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| mazapan wrote: |
| I need some help,or information , rather, Im moving back to mexico soon, and I would like to teach english in a public federal school, my question is, is the tkt certification from cambridge enough? or do I need the teachers course diploma? would the two certifications toghether be enough? what exactly are the requirements needed to apply for a job in la SEP? please if anybody can give me the best input in the matter I would be very thankful, I really need this information, as I've tried to get it from the official page of the SEP but I have'nt found what I need to know there, thanks, Ill be waiting, bye |
You have to have a 4 year college degree and a Teacher�s Diploma, or equivilent that is recognized by the SEP. I doubt if a TKT would be accepted. I don�t think they are accepting applications anymore for this coming school year, which starts in just a few weeks. Do you speak Spanish? Are you legally able to work in Mexico? You can only work for a public school if you are Mexican or Inmigrado, that is, a permanent resident of Mexico. |
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Enchilada Potosina
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Location: Mexico
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| The SEP or SEGE is pretty much exclusive to the family and friends of those that work there. It's about as corrupt as you can get. |
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BadBeagleBad
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| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
| The SEP or SEGE is pretty much exclusive to the family and friends of those that work there. It's about as corrupt as you can get. |
Not so much, perhaps, in Mexico City, where they are desperate for English teachers. I know three people who just got hired to start this school year, none of whom had any connections or ties to the SEP. And I think the new requirements for English teachers might have weeded out some of those teachers who were there only because of connections. |
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Isla Guapa
Joined: 19 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| BadBeagleBad wrote: |
| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
| The SEP or SEGE is pretty much exclusive to the family and friends of those that work there. It's about as corrupt as you can get. |
Not so much, perhaps, in Mexico City, where they are desperate for English teachers. I know three people who just got hired to start this school year, none of whom had any connections or ties to the SEP. And I think the new requirements for English teachers might have weeded out some of those teachers who were there only because of connections. |
The three people who were just hired, were they Mexicans or foreigners? BBB, would you accept a job working in a public school in Mexico City? What are the wages, benefits and working conditions like? |
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BadBeagleBad
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The three people who were just hired, were they Mexicans or foreigners? BBB, would you accept a job working in a public school in Mexico City? What are the wages, benefits and working conditions like? |
Two Mexicans, one foreigner. *I* wouldn�t take a job working for the SEP now, I might have when I was younger and would have actually made use of the benefits. Full benefits package, as required by law, all the required paid holidays, plus 6 or 7 more, expense money, money for training. The pay is not great (around 7000 pesos a month to start) and you rarely work in just one location. Working conditions vary from school to school, I would imagine. Most of the kids couldn�t care less about learning English. That is supposed to be changing, but I am not optimistic. |
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Isla Guapa
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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| Isla Guapa wrote: |
The three people who were just hired, were they Mexicans or foreigners? BBB, would you accept a job working in a public school in Mexico City? What are the wages, benefits and working conditions like? |
Two Mexicans, one foreigner. *I* wouldn�t take a job working for the SEP now, I might have when I was younger and would have actually made use of the benefits. Full benefits package, as required by law, all the required paid holidays, plus 6 or 7 more, expense money, money for training. The pay is not great (around 7000 pesos a month to start) and you rarely work in just one location. Working conditions vary from school to school, I would imagine. Most of the kids couldn�t care less about learning English. That is supposed to be changing, but I am not optimistic. |
Did the foreigner have the proper papers? Seven thousand pesos a month is pretty lousy pay for a full-time job. You can make more working full-time at a place like IH. I guess for some people the benefits make up for the poor pay. Do the benefits include a pension? Having to teach groups of unenthusiastic children and adolescents seems more of a negative factor to me than the low pay. |
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Enchilada Potosina
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| Isla Guapa wrote: |
| BadBeagleBad wrote: |
| Isla Guapa wrote: |
The three people who were just hired, were they Mexicans or foreigners? BBB, would you accept a job working in a public school in Mexico City? What are the wages, benefits and working conditions like? |
Two Mexicans, one foreigner. *I* wouldn�t take a job working for the SEP now, I might have when I was younger and would have actually made use of the benefits. Full benefits package, as required by law, all the required paid holidays, plus 6 or 7 more, expense money, money for training. The pay is not great (around 7000 pesos a month to start) and you rarely work in just one location. Working conditions vary from school to school, I would imagine. Most of the kids couldn�t care less about learning English. That is supposed to be changing, but I am not optimistic. |
Did the foreigner have the proper papers? Seven thousand pesos a month is pretty lousy pay for a full-time job. You can make more working full-time at a place like IH. I guess for some people the benefits make up for the poor pay. Do the benefits include a pension? Having to teach groups of unenthusiastic children and adolescents seems more of a negative factor to me than the low pay. |
If you go to work for the SEP, it's not for the money. Consider it the first rung on the ladder or the first step up the pyramid. Those 7000 pesos are for the rest of your life, whether you work or not, plus the usual government benefits (3 months aguinaldo etc.). The idea of course is to move up the pyramid. |
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mazapan
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:32 am Post subject: what about the private sector? |
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| what about the private sector? which qualifications are better, or rather needed to find a good job? by the way, Im mexican so I won't be needing any visas or things like that. the information that I had read in some of the web pages of the cambridge tesol, was that now the SEP was also accepting the tkt cambridge and the teachers diploma as official certifications to be able to teach in public schools, I only have a GED and speak english as a nativer speaker, and next month I will be getting the cambridge tkt certification, but I will gladly consider any other certification that will enable me to get a good job in mexico, so if any of you would elucidate me please Im eager to hear it, [ read it in this case] thank you for all the input that I got so far,and please I need more bye |
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BadBeagleBad
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:25 am Post subject: Re: what about the private sector? |
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| what about the private sector? which qualifications are better, or rather needed to find a good job? by the way, Im mexican so I won't be needing any visas or things like that. the information that I had read in some of the web pages of the cambridge tesol, was that now the SEP was also accepting the tkt cambridge and the teachers diploma as official certifications to be able to teach in public schools, I only have a GED and speak english as a nativer speaker, and next month I will be getting the cambridge tkt certification, but I will gladly consider any other certification that will enable me to get a good job in mexico, so if any of you would elucidate me please Im eager to hear it, [ read it in this case] thank you for all the input that I got so far,and please I need more bye |
How old was that information? The SEP just changed the requirements for English teachers starting this fall, so the info might be outdated. They might accept the TKT, but that is in addition to already having a 4 year degree. You might be able to get a job in a private school. You can probably get a job in a language school, especially if you try and get a job at one that offers their own training program. Is there any way you can get a Teacher�s Diploma? That might open some doors. Being a native speaker helps, if you can teach. What kind of experience do you have teaching. |
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MotherF
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What part of Mexico are you moving too?
Do you have family or friends with connections?
If you have a parent who is a teacher with a plaza you can inherit it even without a 4 year degree--but you will need to get your GED legalized (or do a Bachirrato in a systema abieta here).
You may also be able to teach English in a Bachirrato or Prepa just as is. I know a lot of teachers who are in your situation. They have a native level of English and a US high school diploma and they are teaching at a Public Bachirrato here. Since offical education is only through secundaria, the high schools are more lax with the requirements. |
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Isla Guapa
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| I find it disturbing that a prepa would consider hiring someone to teach who has only finished high school. What a statement about the state of public education in Mexico! |
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BadBeagleBad
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| I find it disturbing that a prepa would consider hiring someone to teach who has only finished high school. What a statement about the state of public education in Mexico! |
That is going to be changing. People are loosing their jobs because of not having the right qualifications. I don�t know where you get your info EP, but that is not the situation in Mexico City AT ALL. I know two people who were give two years to get Teacher�s Diploma, and didn�t and no longer have a job. The SEP in Mexico City had stopped taking new applications in April, then reopened the application process for just that reason. There may be some Normalista teachers who are grandfathered in, but new teachers MUST have a 4 year degree and a Teacher�s Diploma. Giving your plaza to a family member is going out the window as well. One of my husband�s cousins in Zacatecas was going to give me hers when she retires in a few years, and since ALL the teachers in her school have been told that that will NOT be happening. |
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Isla Guapa
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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| BadBeagleBad wrote: |
| Isla Guapa wrote: |
| I find it disturbing that a prepa would consider hiring someone to teach who has only finished high school. What a statement about the state of public education in Mexico! |
That is going to be changing. People are loosing their jobs because of not having the right qualifications. I don�t know where you get your info EP, but that is not the situation in Mexico City AT ALL. I know two people who were give two years to get Teacher�s Diploma, and didn�t and no longer have a job. The SEP in Mexico City had stopped taking new applications in April, then reopened the application process for just that reason. There may be some Normalista teachers who are grandfathered in, but new teachers MUST have a 4 year degree and a Teacher�s Diploma. Giving your plaza to a family member is going out the window as well. One of my husband�s cousins in Zacatecas was going to give me hers when she retires in a few years, and since ALL the teachers in her school have been told that that will NOT be happening. |
Thanks for the update on the situation in Mexico City. I was commenting on MotherF's post about being able to teach in a prepa with only a high school diploma. Maybe that's only true for where she lives, in the State of Oaxaca. |
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mazapan
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:10 am Post subject: how about ceneval? |
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| The information that I had gotten before was that after gettin the tkt and or getting the CENEVAL exam passed I could get the cedula profesional,I never meant to say that I would try to get certified only with the GED for I know that's not nearly enough to be considered a teacher ,I was talking about getting the tkt,plus the teachers diploma or maybe including celta, now if having a four year college degre is a must then I need to consider other options,but I've been getting all kinds of informations but nothing specific. supposing I want to go to the private sector,what would be the best or most recognized certification in mexico? is there one in particular? are there several with good standing in mexico,? what would be the best option for me? would a tesol certification get me a job? please keep providing me all the info you can,I really need it before I decide to go back and stay,for I want to get well prepared before I do that, and again, thank you so much, your help is really appreciated all of you, |
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