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onebikeoneworld



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:51 pm    Post subject: Questions regarding finding a job Reply with quote

Hello,

I'm a 28 year old Brit who has spent the last 6 years teaching in Asia and is currently travelling in the US. I worked for 3 years in a language school in Japan & 3 years in the public schools in Korea. I have a BSc in Comp Sci and a 100 hour online TEFL certificate. I am hoping to find a job in Mexico next year, and am flexible as to when and where I will work. My questions are..

1) What does my lack of certification as a teacher/degree in English/TEFL stop me getting?
2) Are the jobs in public schools a step above the language schools as they are in Japan + Korea? If so, what kind of salary would I be looking at getting? I assume they can be applied for out of country?
3) What time of the year do most jobs start?

I'm not hugely motivated by money. I'm travelling round the world by bike and before I head into Latin America want to work on my Spanish. I figure that spending 6-12 months in Mexico working at a job would give me the immersion that I want to improve my Spanish.

As an alternative...

What kind of expenses am I looking at to spend 6 months as a student? I live frugally so don't mind eating a quite ridiculous amount of beans and rice. I'm definitely around the beginner level of Spanish at the minute.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To answer one of your questions, teaching in public schools is mostly out of the question for non-Mexicans, unless you have lived here for awhile and have "connections". But don't feel too bad about that because working conditions are not good in most public schools, and the pay is quite low.
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BadBeagleBad



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:12 am    Post subject: Re: Questions regarding finding a job Reply with quote

onebikeoneworld wrote:
Hello,
1) What does my lack of certification as a teacher/degree in English/TEFL stop me getting?

People will generally be more interested in your accent and your experience, at least in language schools and business institutes.

2) Are the jobs in public schools a step above the language schools as they are in Japan + Korea? If so, what kind of salary would I be looking at getting? I assume they can be applied for out of country?

Not really. And you likely won�t be able to land one with what you have.
There is a new requierement that all teachers have a training program that is approved by the SEP (Mexican Education Secretary) and a degree in Education. There are also loads of hoops to jump through. Foreigners are not especially targeted for hiring, and from abroad, not at all. And, the pay is crap. Unless you decide to settle in Mexico, I would forget it. The pay eventually gets to a decent level, and the benefits are very, very good, but again, only worthwhile if you plan to stay, buy a home, work long enough to retire, etc.

3) What time of the year do most jobs start?

You can get a job pretty much anytime of the year if you want to do business or company classes. The exception would be Decemeber into early January. Mexico pretty much shuts down for December. If you want to work in a school school, you could start looking in May for the school year that starts in July, but schools will usually be looking for teachers right up to the first day of school.


What kind of expenses am I looking at to spend 6 months as a student? I live frugally so don't mind eating a quite ridiculous amount of beans and rice. I'm definitely around the beginner level of Spanish at the minute.

You don�t have to eat beans and rice all the time to eat cheap. You can have a bread and coffee for breakfast for 10 pesos, a set menu lunch that will include soup, rice, a main dish, beans, tortillas and something to drink. Sometimes coffee or dessert in the 35 to 40 peso range. And there is all kinds of cheap and filling street food. Public transport is cheap - 3 or 4 pesos in most cases, and you could rent a room in a home, or share an apartment for 2000 pesos or so. Maybe less if you don�t mind being a little off the beaten path.

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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And there is all kinds of cheap and filling street food.


Don't go there!
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
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And there is all kinds of cheap and filling street food.


Don't go there!


I "go there" from time to time, but only to places I know have certain standards of cleanliness.
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MotherF



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found that the person who completely avoids eating street food 1) still falls to food born illnesses the same as any foreigner adjusting to a new country and 2) fails to appreciate a large componant of local culture 3) is missing out on some yummy eats, and 4) is spending too much money.


And to the OP, I'd say working in a public school is about 25 steps below working in a language institute. Mexico (and all of Latin America) vary quite a bit from Japan and Korea in terms of education.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

QUOTE: MotherF

I've found that the person who completely avoids eating street food:

1) still falls to food born illnesses the same as any foreigner adjusting to a new country and

The hygiene angle doesn't concern me in the least, I have a strong constitution. What I don't want to do is support a largely illegal activity which creates an eyesore in the street, as well as often blocking the way for passers-by - particularly bear in mind those that use wheelchairs.

2) fails to appreciate a large componant of local culture

If that is the best "culture" a country has to offer, it should be ashamed of itself. The only "culture" going on here is the "culture" of an underclass too lazy to do an honest days work, and a bunch of people crazy or short-sighted enough to patronize them. I sell Mexican culture for a living, and believe me, there is much better to offer than this.

3) is missing out on some yummy eats, and

The world is full of great things to eat.

4) is spending too much money.

Well, personally I always believe that good food is worth paying for, and besides, good doesn't have to be expensive.
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canada_1986



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
2) fails to appreciate a large componant of local culture

If that is the best "culture" a country has to offer, it should be ashamed of itself. The only "culture" going on here is the "culture" of an underclass too lazy to do an honest days work, and a bunch of people crazy or short-sighted enough to patronize them. I sell Mexican culture for a living, and believe me, there is much better to offer than this.


It is still way better than the "culture" where I'm from, which is driving 15 minutes to get to a cookie-cutter chain restaurant whose profits purely support a large corporation, and is the only place to eat for miles. I live in a city.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canada_1986 wrote:
Phil_K wrote:
2) fails to appreciate a large componant of local culture

If that is the best "culture" a country has to offer, it should be ashamed of itself. The only "culture" going on here is the "culture" of an underclass too lazy to do an honest days work, and a bunch of people crazy or short-sighted enough to patronize them. I sell Mexican culture for a living, and believe me, there is much better to offer than this.


It is still way better than the "culture" where I'm from, which is driving 15 minutes to get to a cookie-cutter chain restaurant whose profits purely support a large corporation, and is the only place to eat for miles. I live in a city.


I fail to see how laboring for hours over a hot grill making food for the public is not doing an "honest day's work". Aren't the proprietors of street food stands small-business owners?
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Aren't the proprietors of street food stands small-business owners?


No! .
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canada_1986 wrote:
Phil_K wrote:
2) fails to appreciate a large componant of local culture

If that is the best "culture" a country has to offer, it should be ashamed of itself. The only "culture" going on here is the "culture" of an underclass too lazy to do an honest days work, and a bunch of people crazy or short-sighted enough to patronize them. I sell Mexican culture for a living, and believe me, there is much better to offer than this.


It is still way better than the "culture" where I'm from, which is driving 15 minutes to get to a cookie-cutter chain restaurant whose profits purely support a large corporation, and is the only place to eat for miles. I live in a city.


So you think that a large corporation making profits is morally wrong, and an unlicensed, non tax paying individual, who breaks the law on numerous counts in OK?

Hmmm...
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New Haven



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada 1986, be careful -- there's plenty not to like here as well, including a proliferation of American chain restaurants...McD, Burger King, Chili's TGIF, Bennigan's come to mind right off the top of my head. But my point is that Mexico has its share of cultural norms that are not particularly appealing...as is true of every culture.

Sharon
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FreddyM



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:

an underclass too lazy to do an honest days work


lazy??? you've got to be kidding!
The informal economy is a byproduct of inefficiencies in the formal economy, there not being available enough jobs in the formal sector. And these types of jobs bring no benefits or protections that "real" jobs bring. Why would anyone choose such shitty grueling jobs if they were 'lazy"?
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New Haven



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They would choose them because they can work as much or as little as they need to. Many -- maybe most -- work just to get by and take time off when they have earned enough money to pay for the needs of the forseeable future. This is a culture of short-term orientation.

That's an answer to your question Freddy M, not a defense of Phil's opinion about street vendors.

Sharon
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FreddyM wrote:
Phil_K wrote:

an underclass too lazy to do an honest days work


lazy??? you've got to be kidding!
The informal economy is a byproduct of inefficiencies in the formal economy, there not being available enough jobs in the formal sector. And these types of jobs bring no benefits or protections that "real" jobs bring. Why would anyone choose such shitty grueling jobs if they were 'lazy"?


I think Sharon helpfully answered the last question, and yes, short-termism is a problem that Mexico has in many areas.

As for inefficiencies in the formal economy:

1) What do you suggest be changed? I agree that the government could make more effort to encourage an enterprise culture, but it has done that to a certain extent, although there is still too much bureaucracy.

2) Have you considered the implications of turning a blind eye to this kind of activity, along with that of the franeleros and the fact that it based on corrupt practices? To me, the final consequence is anarchy.

3) Don't think this is a last resort for these people - many "earn" a very good living, albeit in a way that does nothing for their country, and everything for them. Most would be able to do a real (without quotes) job.
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