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km
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 Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:01 am Post subject: how much money to start up? |
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Hi, i'm thinking of coming in september/october with the intention of teaching at a kindergarden. I have a degree, masters (not in tefl or education) and will have my tefl, how much money (in american dollars) do you think i would need to start me off? I know that you need deposits for apartments etc and that i'll have to start off at a pretty low wage until i get some experience, could anyone help?
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wood
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:57 am Post subject: Re: how much money to start up? |
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| km wrote: |
Hi, i'm thinking of coming in september/october with the intention of teaching at a kindergarden. I have a degree, masters (not in tefl or education) and will have my tefl, how much money (in american dollars) do you think i would need to start me off? I know that you need deposits for apartments etc and that i'll have to start off at a pretty low wage until i get some experience, could anyone help?
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I would bring at least $2000 US. You could get by with less, but more would be better. This is for Taipei. It may well be that you need less in other parts. |
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trukesehammer
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Location: The Vatican
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:56 pm Post subject: Two Suitcases and 150 Bucks |
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Two suitcases and 150 bucks is what I came with. 'Course, that was back in 97 and I had a HOST FAMILY to take care of me. When I went back to the States (3 years later) to do the PhD thing, I had about 8000 bucks in my pocket (American Express Traveller's Checks, of course) and another 3000 in the bank.
This time around I was smarter. I arrived with 200 bucks and three suitcases! And now I is an university perfesser. Huh-huh!  |
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MTurton
Joined: 10 Mar 2004
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If you have a masters, why do you want to teach in a kindergarten? You can get a job in a low quality university with a masters in something useful. You will make around 50K base, plus have access to library, exercise facilities, etc. Hiring will be in the summer, but if you come in VERY early September you can probably find a university desperate enough to accept you. I have a web page on teaching in universities at:
http://users2.ev1.net/~turton/teach_index.html
with a university job you work 14-16 hours per week, and if you feel like working hard, there is plenty of money to be made doing other things.
And I'd bring $1,500 at least.
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Aristotle
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Taiwan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:11 am Post subject: |
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with a university job you work 14-16 hours per week, and if you feel like working hard, there is plenty of money to be made doing other things.
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Careful Mr. Turton.
Someone might accuse you of advocating illegal employment and violating the overseas foreign worker control laws.
A. |
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WorkingVaca
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:11 am Post subject: Frugal |
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| Wow, you guys are frugal. I'd suggest bringing about $3,000 for start-up costs if you don't want to live in a dirty, crowded hostel for two months. |
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trukesehammer
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Location: The Vatican
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:37 am Post subject: Bok-bok-bok! |
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Geez, you guys are chickens. Come on! Live dangerously (aka stupidly)! Arrive with as little money as possible and stay with a HOST FAMILY. That's the only way to go. It also gives you a crash course in Taiwanese culture...
Guanxi
Mei guanxi
Maji
Jiapeng
Jia ba bwei
An-jing!
What fun! |
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MTurton
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| Aristotle wrote: |
Careful Mr. Turton.
Someone might accuse you of advocating illegal employment and violating the overseas foreign worker control laws.
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That has already happened. I have already been investigated by the CLA over my website, so I am quite used to suppressing such annoyances (as Lee once described Pope).
In any case, there are numerous legal ways to earn extra money in a university. For example, being an advisor nets me a cool $4,000 a month. I used to edit and translate documents for the Office of Overseas Cooperation, for another $6,000 a month. We have campus English development program funded by a temporary rotating grant from the Ministry of Education that also nets me a tidy sum from various activities.
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jason_seeburn
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: how much money to start up? |
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brian
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It's moved a bit away from the orginal question, but nonetheless.
It has been suggested that claims of earning NTD90,000 a month are just rumors. Well that is wrong.
In my fourth year of being here, and working for one of the big chains, I was bringing in NTD120,000 a month. There is no doubt that I was working hard to earn this, but it was worth it. I saved up enough to acheive my objectives and move on to something else here. I am now in my tenth year here and I certainly don't work nearly as hard as I used to, yet I still bring in what I would consider 'the big bucks'.
If you are, or were, only here for a year, then you can't really expect to have had much exposure to what longtimers earn. Why do you think that more and more people are becoming long termers here? It isn't all about the money of course, but the money helps! |
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wood
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| Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| brian wrote: |
It's moved a bit away from the orginal question, but nonetheless.
It has been suggested that claims of earning NTD90,000 a month are just rumors. Well that is wrong.
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I second that. It is wrong. If you speak Chinese, you can easily earn that much per month. And you won't have to kill yourself working from morning to night. Speaking Chinese is the key. If you can't, you can still earn that much but you will wear yourself out with the long hours. At least that's what I think.
And if you don't bring $2000, at least have that much in your account so you can easily access it. Without it, you might get desperate and take the first job offered. How does the Boy Scout motto go? Be prepared. |
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jason_seeburn
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TaoyuanSteve
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| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| This can only be accomplished by being good at what you do (ie, actually teaching the kids english), and having a real good rapport with the parents. Speaking Chinese would definately be a bonus. |
I disagree. Put on a good show. Education here is secondary to appearances. |
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Andy in Taiwan
Joined: 12 May 2003
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| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| Well, I was given the opportunity to add 50,000 NT a month to my 63,000NT salary a month after I arrived, by working mornings in a Kindergarten. That would mean I would get up at 7:00, start work at 7:30, and work straight until 1:00, have lunch for half an hour, get on my motorbike, and ride to my other school, where I would work until 8:30pm. |
Wow do tell Jason, you would work like this five days a week? I'll dissect your statements:
1) Work at 7:30, now would this be prep work or would this be teaching because most teaching doesn't start until 9:00AM-9:30.
2) Work straight until 1:00 (when did your students have time to eat) lunchtime for Kindy is from 11:00-12:00 at the latest
3) Work everyday from about 2:00pm-8:30 pm, BS because what happens on Tuesdays? If you were in Taiwan you'd know that all students would have a full day on Tuesday.
Jason your eyes must be brown because you are so ..... |
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jason_seeburn
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