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Guy Courchesne
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 Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:24 am Post subject: Tsk Tsk PRI |
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Got caught by IFE with your shorts...well, on.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16350747
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A local election result in Mexico has been annulled, partly because a boxer wore the logo of the winning party on his trunks in a fight on the eve of the vote, breaking campaign rules.
Juan Manuel Marquez sported the tricolour symbol of the PRI during his clash with Filipino Manny Pacquiao.
The fight in Las Vegas on 12 November was watched by millions in Mexico.
A federal court decided it may have influenced voters in Morelia, the capital of Michoacan state.
In its ruling, the court also cited a television appearance by Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) candidates after the official campaign period has closed. |
Close fight, close elections...we're in for an interesting 2012. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:31 am Post subject: Re: Tsk Tsk PRI |
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| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
Got caught by IFE with your shorts...well, on.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16350747
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A local election result in Mexico has been annulled, partly because a boxer wore the logo of the winning party on his trunks in a fight on the eve of the vote, breaking campaign rules.
Juan Manuel Marquez sported the tricolour symbol of the PRI during his clash with Filipino Manny Pacquiao.
The fight in Las Vegas on 12 November was watched by millions in Mexico.
A federal court decided it may have influenced voters in Morelia, the capital of Michoacan state.
In its ruling, the court also cited a television appearance by Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) candidates after the official campaign period has closed. |
Close fight, close elections...we're in for an interesting 2012. |
Yeah, that�s old news.
2012 won�t even be a real contest, expect a major blow-out, PRI wins by TKO  |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Old? It just happened.
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| 2012 won�t even be a real contest, expect a major blow-out, PRI wins by TKO |
Would be a real shame for Mexico. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
Old? It just happened.
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| 2012 won�t even be a real contest, expect a major blow-out, PRI wins by TKO |
Would be a real shame for Mexico. |
What is a REAL shame is the death toll from the drug WAR in Mexico: Over 50,000 DEAD and another 10,000 listed as "missing" which just means they are dead but no bodies have been found (and most likely never will).
Will Mexicans vote for another 6 years of the party many view as largely responsible for the drug war (nevermind the fact that it was PRI corruption that allowed the cartels to flourish in the first place)?
I doubt it.
PAN has been in power for 11 years, the PRI won�t budge while AMLO still thinks he is the legitimate president of Mexico. The left in Mexico is split between 3 or 4 parties and the PAN doesn�t have much to offer or so it seems.
After almost 12 years out of power (and the last 6 were with Zedillo anyways) many Mexicans have a certain nostalgia for the "good-old" days of the PRI. And unlike the Commies in post Soviet Russia, the PRI actually looks like it will return to power. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately, a lot of Mexicans will probably read it just as you do and vote PRI as their memories will be just as short, and just as pliable. Such is politics. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Unfortunately, a lot of Mexicans will probably read it just as you do and vote PRI as their memories will be just as short, and just as pliable. Such is politics. |
Oh and who will you vote for? AMLO?
Mexico does NOT need it�s own version of Chavez in AMLO who showed his true colors and lost all credibility to govern.
I am pragmatic by nature and if the best hope to move forward lies with the party of the past, so be it. PRI will return to power with Los Pinos, the congress and the majority of governorships and Mexico will hopefully be able to move forward.
And the PRI is Mexico�s best hope for market reforms, in a most ironic twist:
http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-mexico-2012-frontrunner-stirs-reform-optimism-190416177.html
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Investors frustrated with years of gridlock on economic reforms in Mexico now believe the best chance for progress lies with the party that has done most to prevent change over the last decade.
Enrique Pena Nieto of the opposition Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, has a commanding poll ahead of the presidential election in July and, if its support holds, the PRI could win the first ruling party majority in Congress in 15 years.
Pena Nieto, 45, has pledged an ambitious reform agenda that backs some of the very policies his party has blocked since 2000, when a victory by the conservative National Action Party, or PAN, ended seven decades of PRI rule.
The reforms include boosting tax revenues and allowing more private investment in the state-run oil industry. The failure of Mexico's political leaders to reach a deal on those issues is blamed for holding back the economy.
Growth has averaged about 2.2 percent during the past eight years - barely half the rate for Latin America and the Caribbean as a whole.
Investors say failure to liberalize the labor market, improve a paltry tax take and attract more foreign investment could condemn Mexico to years of weak growth and threaten its credit rating.
They hope that PRI leaders who blocked reforms over the past decade will push them through if they win back power. |
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Phil_K
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately, a lot of Mexicans will probably read it just as you do and vote PRI as their memories will be just as short, and just as pliable. Such is politics. |
That's the problem! Very similar in the UK in 1997, when Tony B-Liar led the Labour Party to victory after 18 years of Conservative rule (including 11 years of the greatest reforming PM of all time - the Great Lady). He did it by packaging the once-socialist party as a centre-left party (New Labour), and basically by trying to be an everyman. Very much what the PRI are doing now - "We have changed!"
Bad though the narcotraffic and organized crime situation is, I never see this as Mexico's principle problem, Prof. Gringo. It is a RESULT of the problems. What Mexico really needs is a candidate with a real reforming manifesto, tackling problems from the bottom up, while being prepared to use the decreto presidencial to tackle problems from the top down.
Unfortunately, this candidate doesn't exist, but if I were eligible to vote, I would tend towards the PAN, just because they lie in my natural right-wing area of politics. I would hope the candidate were either Creel or V�zquez Mota.
Strangely enough, AMLOve (un pa�s amistoso) seems to have the most reforming manifesto of all, but I agree, he has lost all credibility, some of his proposals (supporting the black market) are just plain ridiculous, and the fact that a career politician has a $20m house in La Toscana (Bosques de Las Lomas) says about all we need to know! |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Phil_K wrote: |
| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| Unfortunately, a lot of Mexicans will probably read it just as you do and vote PRI as their memories will be just as short, and just as pliable. Such is politics. |
That's the problem! Very similar in the UK in 1997, when Tony B-Liar led the Labour Party to victory after 18 years of Conservative rule (including 11 years of the greatest reforming PM of all time - the Great Lady). He did it by packaging the once-socialist party as a centre-left party (New Labour), and basically by trying to be an everyman. Very much what the PRI are doing now - "We have changed!"
Bad though the narcotraffic and organized crime situation is, I never see this as Mexico's principle problem, Prof. Gringo. It is a RESULT of the problems. What Mexico really needs is a candidate with a real reforming manifesto, tackling problems from the bottom up, while being prepared to use the decreto presidencial to tackle problems from the top down.
Unfortunately, this candidate doesn't exist, but if I were eligible to vote, I would tend towards the PAN, just because they lie in my natural right-wing area of politics. I would hope the candidate were either Creel or V�zquez Mota.
Strangely enough, AMLOve (un pa�s amistoso) seems to have the most reforming manifesto of all, but I agree, he has lost all credibility, some of his proposals (supporting the black market) are just plain ridiculous, and the fact that a career politician has a $20m house in La Toscana (Bosques de Las Lomas) says about all we need to know! |
With corruption forming the basis of a society no long-term reforms or changes of any kind will ever occur. |
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Phil_K
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| That's very true. But that's why a president could implement strong anti-corruption measures using the decreto presidencial, thus by-passing congress. Always assuming we could find a non-corrupt president, of course! |
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Guy Courchesne
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Creel would have been my choice with the PAN as well. However, one of the major changes that happened here when PRI was finally ousted was moving the center of power from the presidency to Congress where it should be. Who wins the presidency now is much less relevant than who gains power in Congress so I wouldn't really care to pick a president right now.
Picking a party...how about Partido Verde? There's something ridiculously appealing about a party that will save the whales and kill people.
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| Growth has averaged about 2.2 percent during the past eight years - barely half the rate for Latin America and the Caribbean as a whole. |
I don't buy that 2.2 number. It's skewed by the economic crisis of 2008-10. The World bank shows far higher growth since 2000. |
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Phil_K
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| However, one of the major changes that happened here when PRI was finally ousted was moving the center of power from the presidency to Congress where it should be. Who wins the presidency now is much less relevant than who gains power in Congress so I wouldn't really care to pick a president right now. |
Hmm, that brings us to the problem of the political system, much the same as in the US. Having a president that is removed from congress does often render the president, who has the best of intentions, impotent. (Although, as I've mentioned twice before, the president does have the option of a decree in the case of matters of vital importance, although I recognize the danger of overusing it).
That's why I prefer the system in the UK, and in one of our colonies in North America.  |
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EFLeducator
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| 2012 won�t even be a real contest, expect a major blow-out, PRI wins by TKO |
Would be a real shame for Mexico. |
Really?? Why?? Look at the MESS Mexico is in right now after only 12 years of the PAN. Who cares about the hsitory of the PRI when Mexico is falling apart basically. The cartels basically control the border and Monterrey. Which place will be next, the DF??
There seemed to be more STABILITY in Mexico when the PRI was running the show. 12 years of the PAN, which doesn't have the backbone to rid it's country of the parasites, aka cartels and gangs, and look at the MESS Mexico is becoming.
I don't think the Mexicans will give a rats #@$ about the history of the PRI considering how there is so much instability in their country RIGHT NOW.
Viva PRI!!
Viva Nieto!! |
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EFLeducator
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| With corruption forming the basis of a society no long-term reforms or changes of any kind will ever occur. |
Good point! Things would have to change from the bottom up. The MENTALITY would need to change and I don't see that happening.  |
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EFLeducator
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| PRI will return to power with Los Pinos, the congress and the majority of governorships and Mexico will hopefully be able to move forward. |
12 years has SHOWN beyond a shadow of a doubt that the PAN, or at least the ones running it these days, are UNABLE to GOVERN effectively. They are UNABLE to take back their country from the cartels and gangs. THEIR policies are NOT working, therefore the Mexican people need to let the PRI try.
12 years...enough already.  |
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EFLeducator
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Will Mexicans vote for another 6 years of the party many view as largely responsible for the drug war? I doubt it. |
I doubt it too.
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| the PAN doesn�t have much to offer or so it seems. |
12 years has shown that to be true.
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| After almost 12 years out of power (and the last 6 were with Zedillo anyways) many Mexicans have a certain nostalgia for the "good-old" days of the PRI. |
I don't blame them. I used to be able to take a bus from Dallas, Texas to Mexico City with no worries but after 12 years of the PAN and their LACK OF CONTROL over their own country, I would not even dream of taking a bus from Dallas to Mexico City. Things have deteriorated a LOT in my beautiful Mexico. |
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