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NLuchs



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:23 am    Post subject: TEFL (crash)course abroad Reply with quote

Hi everyone!
I just thought of another question for you seasoned teachers/travelers out there. I'd like to go abroad next year and teach english, preferably in China because I don't have a whole year. I will have a bachelor's degree by the time I leave, however, I haven't yet taken a TEFL/ TESOL course. Unfortunately I've only found some online TEFL courses with a weekend so far, and I'd really like some hands on experience. (Mainly because I have no teaching experience, except for some private tutoring). Can you recommend traveling to the country you'd like to teach in, say China, a month in advance and taking a TEFL crash-course of about four weeks?
Thanks!
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NLuchs:

I can't answer your question about "crash course" TEFL cert programs in China. However, if the school or institute you plan to teach at does not require a TEFL cert, then another option for you is to start volunteer teaching one or two times a week as a teaching assistant or classroom tutor at one of your local, nonprofit ESL refugee or literacy organizations. You'd gain teaching experience and would be under the guidance of a seasoned ESL teacher. Plus, some of these programs offer free TESL training sessions for their volunteers. You could certainly make the most of such an opportunity. By the time you get to China next year, you'd have a better sense of how to teach and manage your classroom.
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coledavis



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're going to do a four week course (and these are considered standard, not 'crash'), then why not do the CELTA or Trinity? Almost all employers who state a preference ask for these. You then have some choice where you teach and know what you are doing. (I've met graduates of these 'weekend practicum' type courses; they are not ready to teach.)

Also, if your ideas change in the future, you want to teach again or in another country, you have an appropriate qualification and experience.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Nluchs

Weekend courses are a total waste of time - and your money.

Online courses without any teaching practice are a total waste of your time - and money.

Courses with a teaching practice but that doesn't involve real language learners are a total waste of time - and your money.

'Method' school courses are a total waste of time - and your money.

As advised above, go for a CELTA or Trinity etc. Standard pre-service course that do what they say on the tin. Not a waste of your time nor your money either.
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: TEFL (crash)course abroad Reply with quote

NLuchs wrote:
Hi everyone!
I just thought of another question for you seasoned teachers/travelers out there. I'd like to go abroad next year and teach english, preferably in China because I don't have a whole year. I will have a bachelor's degree by the time I leave, however, I haven't yet taken a TEFL/ TESOL course. Unfortunately I've only found some online TEFL courses with a weekend so far, and I'd really like some hands on experience. (Mainly because I have no teaching experience, except for some private tutoring). Can you recommend traveling to the country you'd like to teach in, say China, a month in advance and taking a TEFL crash-course of about four weeks?
Thanks!


If you want legal work in China with all the appropriate visas and permits then you need a TEFL cert to go along with your degree.

USUALLY it is common to suggest taking the TEFL course in the country you plan to work in for any number of reasons not the least of which are some experience with the learners you will be working with and the networking with others in the same country.

In the case of China I suggest NOT doing that.
Take a recognized (globally) TEFL course by an organization that is recognized globally for the quality of the course and not the dream of travel.

You can put CELTA (Cambridge University brand) TESOL, Trinity TESOL or the SIT cert TESOL (the same people that train the Peace Corps).

Avoid like the plague anyone whose website looks more like a travel blog/travel agent than a school. They are in the business of selling dreams not educating would-be-EFL teachers.

The standard (should you choose to go with a generic TEFL course - remember that there are NO global certification/accreditation services so you can pretty much ignore their claims to be properly accredited by anyone), the standard is 120 hours with 6 hours of observed practicum with REAL students.

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coledavis



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"NO global certification/accreditation services". I don't agree. While we may not always respect CELTA/Trinity, they are globally accredited courses. There is a basic level of regulation. By Cambridge University in the former case, by Trinity in the latter.
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coledavis wrote:
"NO global certification/accreditation services". I don't agree. While we may not always respect CELTA/Trinity, they are globally accredited courses. There is a basic level of regulation. By Cambridge University in the former case, by Trinity in the latter.


They are NOT accredited by any global (or otherwise), independent accreditation agency.

They (as respected brands) are regulated by their respective universities much the same as KFC or McD regulates quality control over their franchises globally.

Regulation and endorsement ≠ accreditation.

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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What global accreditation authorities would you suggest?
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
What global accreditation authorities would you suggest?


As I said above...
in the post that nobody bothered to read...
ttompatz wrote:
there are NO global certification/accreditation services

There are none.

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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read it. But I wished to know what global accreditation you'd like if Cambridge regulation, for example, isn't good enough.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
I read it. But I wished to know what global accreditation you'd like if Cambridge regulation, for example, isn't good enough.


It wasn't about picking on Cambridge or the CELTA.

It was to the OP that he should read the TEFL provider websites critically.

Anyone who lays claim to being "globally accredited" is lying. (you'll see no such claims on the Cambridge ESOL website).

If you look at the Cambridge website it also doesn't read like a travel agent's brochure (UNLIKE so many other TEFL course providers who are into selling dreams more than education).

CELTA, Trinity TESOL cert, and SIT cert TESOL, while not "globally accredited" by anyone all have a reputation GLOBALLY as reputable courses and as brands where quality is assured. They rest on their name.

But there is still no "global accreditation authority" for TESL/TEFL/TESOL short courses/certificates (different from universities who ARE properly accredited and offer undergraduate and post graduate programs (cert, dip, BA, MA) in TESOL or related fields.

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coledavis



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a bit of a metaphysical argument. You can't claim to be globally accredited because global accreditation systems don't exist. Well, this is sort of the case with all educational systems, not just TEFL. We don't strictly know, in strictly logical terms, that Oxford or Harvard degrees are worth having. If I was a Frenchman or an Indonesian, there would be nothing that would strictly say that these universities, or Cambridge or Princeton or Yale are any good.

Back to the real world. There is a general acceptance in the world of English as a Second (Foreign) Language [and here we go again: strictly speaking, does such a 'world' exist?] that CELTA and Trinity couses have certain attributes, as regulated by their respective accrediting authorities. They are accepted in most countries that have anything to do with TEFL. And that, as with our assumptions about the sun and moon existing, is about as good as it gets.
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Vince



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about TESOL's TESOL Core Certificate ? Is it considered to be a quality program?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Overview

Developed by Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages, Inc. (TESOL), the leading global education association for the English language teaching (ELT) field, the TESOL Core Certificate Program is a 130-hour online training program providing a foundation in the theory and practice of English language teaching. The certificate program provides a summary of the core knowledge of the field to support individuals in enhancing their professional practice and careers in serving the needs of English language learners (ELLs).

The program is designed for current or prospective teachers or administrators worldwide with who have little to no formal training in ELT. Participants can focus on teaching adults, in ESL and/or EFL environments, or on teaching young learners, in EFL environments



If you mean this one which I found on google under 'TESOL core Certificate,' it's online and therefore does not meet the basic international standard because it does not include hands-on teaching practice with feedback on how you've done.

TESOL is an acronym for 'teaching English as a Second/Other Language' - it is not a recognised institution or group. There is no indication on the website above who actually created or runs the program in question (upon a very cursory reading).
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coledavis wrote:
This is a bit of a metaphysical argument. You can't claim to be globally accredited because global accreditation systems don't exist. Well, this is sort of the case with all educational systems, not just TEFL. We don't strictly know, in strictly logical terms, that Oxford or Harvard degrees are worth having. If I was a Frenchman or an Indonesian, there would be nothing that would strictly say that these universities, or Cambridge or Princeton or Yale are any good.

Back to the real world. There is a general acceptance in the world of English as a Second (Foreign) Language [and here we go again: strictly speaking, does such a 'world' exist?] that CELTA and Trinity courses have certain attributes, as regulated by their respective accrediting authorities. They are accepted in most countries that have anything to do with TEFL. And that, as with our assumptions about the sun and moon existing, is about as good as it gets.


Nothing metaphysical about it.

Decent providers (like CELTA, TRINITY, SIT) don't make untrue claims ("Globally accredited") about their programs and their websites don't read like a travel adventure brochure.

If you go to a course provider and they are making claims like "Globally accredited" or that look more like a travel agents brochure than a school home page then CAVEAT EMPTOR.

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