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dragonpiwo · Joined: 04 Mar 2013 Posts: 1650 Location: Berlin

Bydgoszcz 'Venice of Poland'. If your bus stops there, stay on it.

I love those overused misnomers.

Poznan's nice for a weekend but you'll be hard pressed to find a decent restaurant. I've eaten in most of them and my friend is paid to review them.

Torun's a nice little place.

We're off to Krakow and the surrounding area.

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf's_Lair

It makes a change from "Holocaust Tourism"

Janek · Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 79 Location: Krakow, Poland

Master Shake · Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 1202 Location: Colorado, USA

sparks · Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 632

Brits and Americans have a strange fetish for anything Nazi (see Monty Python and the last presidential election in The States). We can't abstain from mentioning The Holocaust, Hitler, Nazis, Fascism etc. etc. It's just how it is. He can't be blamed.

Janek · Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 79 Location: Krakow, Poland

ecocks · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 899 Location: Gdansk, Poland

Janek, you're confusing simple factual statements with statements of support and admiration of purpose.

The Wolf's Lair exists and is an alternative to Holocaust-related sites such as the camps, execution and mass-burial locations for tourist activity. It has nothing to do with supporting Hitler or being anti-Semitic anymore than going to Auschwitz means you hate Germany and love all things Jewish or going on a tour of Congress means you love Democracy and hate all totalitarian leaders.

It's common reference to phrase interest-specific tourist activities in the way he did. People do Eco-tourism, Medical Tourism, Religious Tours and Adventure Tour and there is no bias or ideological expression involved. It's just a grouping.

I, for one, would be very interested in seeing the Wolf('s) Lair due to it's historical and military significance. In Berlin I enjoyed looking at the site of the SS Headquarters but that doesn't mean I admired their ideology or methods.

Janek · Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 79 Location: Krakow, Poland

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

So now we are not allowed top talk about the recent history of Eastern Europe ? Prussia, Silesia and Pomerania did not have German populations ?

Ethnic cleansing is okay if the victims are Germans ?

As for Wolfs Lair and Auschwitz, people do go and visit these places as tourists. Why do you object to the term "Holocaust Tourism" ?

Janek · Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 79 Location: Krakow, Poland

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

Are you really saying that only ethnic Germans can understand German History ?

Direct your wrath at these people and not at me.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/25/auschwitz-first-world-war-tourism-teaching

Or have a look at the 2000 Book "The Holocaust Industry" by Norm Finkelstein, and try to see the events of the last 100 years through a different prism.

Janek · Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 79 Location: Krakow, Poland

ecocks · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 899 Location: Gdansk, Poland

Moving on, is there anything in Lebork worth a weekender trip for sight-seeing?

Any of the towns along the northern coast?

Master Shake · Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 1202 Location: Colorado, USA

Łeba is definitely worth a visit. Sand dunes and a rocket base. Other than that, I can't think of much...