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VietCanada
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Dear VietCanada,
"Don't you dare make a bad impression on the trainer."
Probably not a good idea for any student, anywhere, on any teacher. 
Regards,
John |
Not me. My job is to teach people especially those who need the most help. If a student fails it's quite likely my fault.
I would never stoop to insulting my students just because I couldn't do my job. But that's just me. I don't have CELTA training.
I have an BA Hons in math, a few years experience running my own business which involved training and monitoring and finally a only a bit more than a decade teaching in Asia. What do I know compared to a CELTA trainer right?
You guys really do need to get off your high horses. Life is not CELTA. Teaching is not CELTA. CELTA is just required cert. for teaching in Europe as far as I can tell. That and a quarter leaves you with a quarter in ASIA. This is an Asian forum not a European forum.
I understand that Russia is in Asia but really, does anyone think of Russia when they are thinking of teaching in Asia? Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, China. Not one of those countries recognizes a CELTA as anything different than a TEFL, TESOL etc. Only Vietnam and Korean public schools require a TEFL or equivalent. The rest just need a bachelors degree.
I understand the importance in Europe but do you understand that it is an expensive, unnecessary step for Asia? If you have experience and want to take that challenge then go for it. But nobody in a an Asian forum should be deluded into thinking it has any value or relevance to teaching in Asia. It's just something extra that you can do if you wish.
An online TEFL or TESOL for $250 and at least 100 hours secures a job. A TEFL or equivalent with a classroom component is a good idea if you've never taught before and want to really make a serious go it.CELTA may be your choice in that circumstance. But it is not the only choice. It is the most expensive and riskiest choice.
Now I must edit before my errors are used as examples of why one must do CELTA. |
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VietCanada
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| It is simply preposterous that Celta trainers' qualifications are being called into question by the very people who nearly failed the course, or by those here who have never taken one. The former usually fail or have to withdraw because they show no ability to implement any the principles of the input sessions. The latter because they know next to nothing about the course except what they have heard from bitchy potty-mouths. |
And the latter description certainly doesn't fit me---I have no personal opinion either way about the CELTA course nor the trainers. In fact, pointing blame and blasting the course delivery weren't my reason for starting this thread; there's enough of that already within these forums. CELTA is a topic that seems to still rub salt in the wounds of some people for months and years after they took the course.
As someone who has conducted in-service teacher training, I wanted to get an understanding of the backgrounds/qualifications that make up a CELTA tutor/trainer and whether continuous professional development was a requirement. I'd also posted the following: For those of you who took the CELTA course but weren't thrilled with the trainee-tutor dynamic, what would have improved that experience? This question wasn't about blame but about reflecting on that dynamic from an interpersonal communication perspective and what both parties---trainee and tutor/trainer---could have done to improve the experience. That is, to look at solutions that others considering taking the course or involved in the training can learn from. Ironically, this is a real situation we often face as teachers with our own students. Anyway, I'd hoped that particular question would have provided some positive food for thought. |
With all respect you should repost this in the Germany or European thread. Asia is about edutainment. CELTA does not prepare one for that. I'm not sure that it prepares anyone for IELTS here either but maybe someone teaching that could comment.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Sometimes I think these CELTA threads in Asian forums are just trolling. |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| This is an Asian forum not a European forum. |
Hate to break the news, but this is the General Discussion forum, and discussion relating to all countries/regions has always been allowed here.
Europe, North America included. Both of which regions generally require a CELTA or equivalent.
If it were General Asia, you'd be correct.
If you want to limit your discussions to Asia only, I suggest you scroll down the forum menu. |
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johnslat
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Dear VietCanada,
I don't get the connection between this:
"Probably not a good idea for any student (to make a bad impression on a teacher/trainer), anywhere, on any teacher."
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"I would never stoop to insulting my students just because I couldn't do my job."
How does a student's making a bad impression become "insulting my students?"
If you've ever had a student who missed lots of classes, often came late, didn't pay attention, didn't do the work, etc or any/all of the foregoing, wouldn't that student make a "bad impression" on you?
Is the only reason students do badly/fail because the teacher/trainer wasn't doing his/her job?
Maybe in your world, but not in mine.
Regards,
John |
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spiral78
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Is the only reason students do badly/fail because the teacher/trainer wasn't doing his/her job?
Maybe in your world, but not in mine. |
Second that! In most education systems, failure IS a possibility. I can't speak for edutainment systems, having never been interested in teaching in Asia. But again, this is the general international forum... |
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| It is simply preposterous that Celta trainers' qualifications are being called into question by the very people who nearly failed the course, or by those here who have never taken one. The former usually fail or have to withdraw because they show no ability to implement any the principles of the input sessions. The latter because they know next to nothing about the course except what they have heard from bitchy potty-mouths. |
And the latter description certainly doesn't fit me---I have no personal opinion either way about the CELTA course nor the trainers. In fact, pointing blame and blasting the course delivery weren't my reason for starting this thread; there's enough of that already within these forums. CELTA is a topic that seems to still rub salt in the wounds of some people for months and years after they took the course.
As someone who has conducted in-service teacher training, I wanted to get an understanding of the backgrounds/qualifications that make up a CELTA tutor/trainer and whether continuous professional development was a requirement. I'd also posted the following: For those of you who took the CELTA course but weren't thrilled with the trainee-tutor dynamic, what would have improved that experience? This question wasn't about blame but about reflecting on that dynamic from an interpersonal communication perspective and what both parties---trainee and tutor/trainer---could have done to improve the experience. That is, to look at solutions that others considering taking the course or involved in the training can learn from. Ironically, this is a real situation we often face as teachers with our own students. Anyway, I'd hoped that particular question would have provided some positive food for thought. |
With all respect you should repost this in the Germany or European thread. Asia is about edutainment. CELTA does not prepare one for that. I'm not sure that it prepares anyone for IELTS here either but maybe someone teaching that could comment.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Sometimes I think these CELTA threads in Asian forums are just trolling. |
Ah! Edutainment! That is where the Celta goes wrong! It doesn't entertain its trainees, or teach them how to be clowns for the Asian classroom. Shame on Celta! What were they thinking?!
Wonder do MAs or doctorates and Booker prizes serve the same function in Canada...? |
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Sashadroogie
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I have an BA Hons in math, a few years experience running my own business which involved training and monitoring and finally a only a bit more than a decade teaching in Asia. What do I know compared to a CELTA trainer right?
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