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water rat
Joined: 30 Aug 2014
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Mate. I'm looking forward to retiring these hands. You never made a typo?
If you can do it then I'm pretty sure I can do it. After all I'm white, a native speaker and have a western passport.
Apparently that's all you need. |
Actually, you don't even need those three things to work in China - although it ups your salary. I know Ghanaians, Cameroonians and Filipinos who work here. However, I got a pale skin, no language but the one my mum taught me, citizenship in the New Rome and I make more money than anyone at my high school hands down, no contest, even the bleedin' principal and I work or even have to be on hand many less hours! 
I know you don't care for Yanks, Gus, but here we are, still ruling the world and there's ten or eleven times more of us than Aussies. If/when you get to China, people are going to say little else to you in your mother tongue than, "Hello! American?" And you can smile and tell them you're not, but you're going to disappoint the poor sods. And what's more, they'll never entirely believe you. You're white, you speak English, you got a blue-covered passport. Of course, you're American, you're just to thick to see it.
So your choices are: be looked down as a floorsweep in Oz, or be taken for a septic tank (Yank) in China. Pretty grim, I know, but there you are.
We Americans, though we're a powerful and influential majority could well chant along with a certain minority: "We're here! We're *beep*! Get used to it!"  |
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mandu
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| well at least New Zealand and Australia are good at Rugby |
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jm21
Joined: 26 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| water rat wrote: |
| AussieGus wrote: |
Mate. I'm looking forward to retiring these hands. You never made a typo?
If you can do it then I'm pretty sure I can do it. After all I'm white, a native speaker and have a western passport.
Apparently that's all you need. |
Actually, you don't even need those three things to work in China - although it ups your salary. I know Ghanaians, Cameroonians and Filipinos who work here. However, I got a pale skin, no language but the one my mum taught me, citizenship in the New Rome and I make more money than anyone at my high school hands down, no contest, even the bleedin' principal and I work or even have to be on hand many less hours!
I know you don't care for Yanks, Gus, but here we are, still ruling the world and there's ten or eleven times more of us than Aussies. If/when you get to China, people are going to say little else to you in your mother tongue than, "Hello! American?" And you can smile and tell them you're not, but you're going to disappoint the poor sods. And what's more, they'll never entirely believe you. You're white, you speak English, you got a blue-covered passport. Of course, you're American, you're just to thick to see it.
So your choices are: be looked down as a floorsweep in Oz, or be taken for a septic tank (Yank) in China. Pretty grim, I know, but there you are.
We Americans, though we're a powerful and influential majority could well chant along with a certain minority: "We're here! We're *beep*! Get used to it!" |
Really? I'm American, pretty obviously so, and almost all the people on the street think I'm Russian. |
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wangdaning
Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| jm21 wrote: |
| water rat wrote: |
| AussieGus wrote: |
Mate. I'm looking forward to retiring these hands. You never made a typo?
If you can do it then I'm pretty sure I can do it. After all I'm white, a native speaker and have a western passport.
Apparently that's all you need. |
Actually, you don't even need those three things to work in China - although it ups your salary. I know Ghanaians, Cameroonians and Filipinos who work here. However, I got a pale skin, no language but the one my mum taught me, citizenship in the New Rome and I make more money than anyone at my high school hands down, no contest, even the bleedin' principal and I work or even have to be on hand many less hours!
I know you don't care for Yanks, Gus, but here we are, still ruling the world and there's ten or eleven times more of us than Aussies. If/when you get to China, people are going to say little else to you in your mother tongue than, "Hello! American?" And you can smile and tell them you're not, but you're going to disappoint the poor sods. And what's more, they'll never entirely believe you. You're white, you speak English, you got a blue-covered passport. Of course, you're American, you're just to thick to see it.
So your choices are: be looked down as a floorsweep in Oz, or be taken for a septic tank (Yank) in China. Pretty grim, I know, but there you are.
We Americans, though we're a powerful and influential majority could well chant along with a certain minority: "We're here! We're *beep*! Get used to it!" |
Really? I'm American, pretty obviously so, and almost all the people on the street think I'm Russian. |
I am from the US and have been asked a few times if I am German. |
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3701 W.119th
Joined: 26 Feb 2014
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:24 am Post subject: |
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I'm from Northern Ireland and people constantly assume I'm American.
Even after talking to them, they tell me I sound American. I always feign offence, but it's just a bit of fun. I love the States. |
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water rat
Joined: 30 Aug 2014
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When I lived in a small town in South Korea I was asked if I were Russian, not American. I guess all the non-Koreans they had ever seen were from there. Of course, I took no offense. All white folk look alike to them. That's the hermit kingdom for you.
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AussieGus
Joined: 29 May 2014
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Yep. Actually with my degree and TESOL I'm actually overqualified!
No problem Water Rat. I judge Yanks as they come. I don't have any real malice against Yanks but more a playful rivalry.
I don't hold being a Yank against you for instance and you seem like a nice guy. Drjtrekker and SH_PANDA on the other hand...................................
I've been confused for American many times while teaching in Korea and even asked to tell my students I'm American and to teach with an American accent. They have a schizophrenic attitude towards Americans in Korea, maybe in China as well. As in all Confucian societies they respect the top dog even if they don't particularly like Americans. As for the US military in Korea, Water Rat, that's an even more complicated an issue. Koreans hate GI's stationed there with a passion but funnily enough every single one of them has a beautiful Korean girlfriend and/or wife. |
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weigookin74
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You can get permanent residency in China based on marriage but you have to have lived here for the last 5 years. Gives you all the rights of a Chinese citizen but it can be revoked if you move out of China and don't visit enough.
I think you will not get a clear answer to your question because things here vary by region and job. An international high school in Beijing will probably insist on doing things by the book. In a smaller, less strict city, working for a language school, it's probably not a big deal. |
Does that mean being married and living there wiorking on a Z visa for 5 years? Married at the same time as on a Z visa? China seems like a real hassle that way. In SK, you can get a spousal visa and work in any school. But of course they are suppose to make sure you have a 4 year degree and no criminal record.
Many have gone there on an E2 and changed to an F6 upon marriage and then switched to an F5 (permanent resident) after a few years. |
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jm21
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:29 am Post subject: |
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You can get permanent residency in China based on marriage but you have to have lived here for the last 5 years. Gives you all the rights of a Chinese citizen but it can be revoked if you move out of China and don't visit enough.
I think you will not get a clear answer to your question because things here vary by region and job. An international high school in Beijing will probably insist on doing things by the book. In a smaller, less strict city, working for a language school, it's probably not a big deal. |
Does that mean being married and living there wiorking on a Z visa for 5 years? Married at the same time as on a Z visa? China seems like a real hassle that way. In SK, you can get a spousal visa and work in any school. But of course they are suppose to make sure you have a 4 year degree and no criminal record.
Many have gone there on an E2 and changed to an F6 upon marriage and then switched to an F5 (permanent resident) after a few years. |
5 continuous years living in China while married, immediately prior to application. I don't think it matters what visa you came in on as long as you were there legally. |
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aussieteacher
Joined: 05 Nov 2014
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| Gus, have you considered doing a 1 year Diploma of Education to be a certified teacher in Australia? |
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AussieGus
Joined: 29 May 2014
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I've considered it but I don't think I'd even be accepted. Those courses are highly competitive and my undergrad GPA wasn't great.
Would it really help me in China anyway? |
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jm21
Joined: 26 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I've considered it but I don't think I'd even be accepted. Those courses are highly competitive and my undergrad GPA wasn't great.
Would it really help me in China anyway? |
If you were certified to teach in Aus, you could make a lot in China. I would think at least $3k aud, maybe up to 5 if you get lucky. At an international school. Could do some extra classes during the breaks if you didn't want to go on vacation. |
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relaxtischina
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah I've considered it but I don't think I'd even be accepted. Those courses are highly competitive and my undergrad GPA wasn't great.
Would it really help me in China anyway? |
Gus if you averaged Ps (GPA 4 or above you can get in)
“ Minimum Entry Requirements [Grad Dip Ed . QLD UNI and others are similar]
1. Completion of an undergraduate degree with a minimum GPA (Grade Point Average) of 4.0 on a 7 point scale with 7.0 being the highest.
2. The completed undergraduate degree and any other tertiary study must meet the minimum entry requirements for two teaching areas. Secondary applicants must be eligible for at least one curriculum foundation and one specialist teaching area.”
www.uq.edu.au/education/TPP/MinEntryReqGDipEd.pdf
Also if you chose special ED (As I have) you only require one teaching area. In your case this would probebly be HASS (Geography/History). |
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AussieGus
Joined: 29 May 2014
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Relax.
I'll look into it but as we were planning to come to China next year it'll be a hard decision. |
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ESL104
Joined: 27 Sep 2014
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Getting on those courses is far from a walk in the park tbf, assuming they're anything like as difficult to get on as the PGCE course in the UK.
Not impossible by any means, but the odds aren't in your favour and even moreso coming from a non-teaching background and being older. Poor academics would only increase the chance of failure.
I think there's 3 applicants per place in England, so it's not a slam dunk sure fire bet and I'd imagine it's the same in Australia. |
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