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Hod · Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Posts: 1613 Location: Home

Good wesult, though. He's gone.

Phil_K · Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own

LarssonCrew · Joined: 06 Jun 2009 Posts: 1308

Honestly that is probably the worst England performance I've seen. Normally we get an easy qualifying group for a major tourney then scrape through groups and then get dumped as soon as we face quality opposition. We haven't even faced that today.

I honestly haven't thought we could beat anyone decent since we had the 2002 England team with Seaman Rio/Campbell Scholes Owen etc. running it. I even remember when we beat Argentina 1-0 comfortably then played Denmark in the last 16 and won comfortably. Then faced Brazil and it's the first and maybe last time I ever honestly thought it wasn't a surprise Owen scored.

Only other time I thought we had quality was Euro 96 and then World Cup 98.

twowheel · Joined: 03 Jul 2015 Posts: 753

I think the writing was on the wall back in World Cup 2010 when England and the U.S. were in the same group and England finished second in the group.

I think it's hilarious that every major tournament that England is in, there is this huge expectation that they will perform well but then...

I would agree:

grahamb · Joined: 30 Apr 2003 Posts: 1945

johnslat · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:32 am Post subject:

Sorry Phil_K - and I really am. Sad

Regards,
John

Phil_K · Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own

johnslat · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:11 pm Post subject:

Dear Phil_K,

Actually, I think grahamb's post may indicate how nationalism is very likely to engender conflict and aggression.

"Patriotism is fundamental to liberty because pride in one’s nation-state, and a willingness to defend it if necessary, is the basis of national independence. Patriotism is the courage of national self-determination.

By contrast, nationalism is patriotism transformed into a sentiment of superiority and aggression toward other countries. Nationalism is the poisonous idea that one’s country is superior to somebody else’s. Nationalism is intrinsically a cause of war and imperialism."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/nationalism-vs-patriotism/2014/02/23/9129d43a-9afc-11e3-8112-52fdf646027b_story.html

I consider you a patriot.

Regards,
John

grahamb · Joined: 30 Apr 2003 Posts: 1945

Phil_K · Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own

I'm glad you see me as a patriot by your definition, and I am. However, I am probably getting closer to your definition of "nationalism" than is comfortable for some people here. Personally, I don't really care about labels, I just love my country and am proud of it.

Phil_K · Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own

plumpy nut · Joined: 12 Mar 2011 Posts: 1652

twowheel · Joined: 03 Jul 2015 Posts: 753

Da Whales!

twowheel

kpjf · Joined: 18 Jan 2012 Posts: 385

What a Wonderful result for Wales! Let's hope they can beat Portugal and that get into the final. I think that's the best I have ever seen Wales play in a game. They did get away with one or two decisions but thoroughly deserved their victory. Such a shame Ramsey won't be in the semi-final.