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Professor Moriarty

Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 39 Location: The Overlook
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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And here's an article of interest, from today's BOSTON GLOBE:
"Secretary of State Colin Powell tours tsunami-stricken Banda Aceh and says, "I cannot begin to imagine the horror that went through the families and all of the people who heard this noise coming and then had their lives snuffed out by this wave." |
"Snuffed out"? Is it just in my idiolect that this hardly seems appropriate? |
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homersimpson
Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Posts: 569 Location: Kagoshima
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| What's the meaning of idiolect in your post? |
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Stephen Jones
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| "What's the meaning of idiolect in your post? |
The same as in my idiolect and the same as in the dialect known as standard English
An idiolect is a variety of language peculiar to one individual. A dialect is a social or geographical variant of a language - that is to say a community variation - and an idiolect is an individual variation.
Going back to Ludwig's point, I also don't associate snuffing out a candle with using water. |
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Professor Moriarty

Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 39 Location: The Overlook
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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I can only think of two expressions in which I have ever encountered this expression: 'a snuff movie', and the colloquial English expression 'He snuffed it', and neither seem wholly appropriate (to me the former is too strong and the latter is too weak). But I was wondering perhaps if it was different in US English, and thus in Kolean Powell-like Duckspeak.
Or perhaps that was his intention - to target and trigger off those connotations.
As regards the 'meaning' of idiolect, I refer the honourable gentleman to the reply I gave some moments ago (ditto Stephen Jones). |
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ls650

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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In American English, to snuff out means to extinguish suddenly or without warning. Powell means that these lives vanished within an instant. I think his usage is entirely acceptable.  |
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moonraven
Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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I see, homer: Anyone who disagrees with you is a lunatic. Anyone who DARES to question the boldfaced propaganda of the US government is a conspiracy theory lunatic.
Is that a black shirt you're wearing?
Is that a fascist salute you are trying to make with your keyboard?
Lots of luck.
Let's get back to the original topic here--since I am the OP of record:
George W. Bush made a big show of donating 10,000 dollars of his own money.
Hugo Ch�vez--who has no fortune and who puts his presidential salary into a foundation for becas for folks who can't afford university--donated 150,000 euros (approx. 200,000 dollars) from a humanitarian award he recently received. |
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homersimpson
Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Posts: 569 Location: Kagoshima
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:07 am Post subject: |
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I see, homer: Anyone who disagrees with you is a lunatic. Anyone who DARES to question the boldfaced propaganda of the US government is a conspiracy theory lunatic.
Is that a black shirt you're wearing?
Is that a fascist salute you are trying to make with your keyboard?
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No, you can disagree with me anytime. When you call someone a murderer and provide no evidence, I tend to lead toward lunacy. My shirt is blue. Regarding your last question, I have no idea what you're talking about.
As for your hero, Hugo Chavez, he enjoys spending time with Fidel Castro and his failed coup d'�tat did cost 18 people their lives. |
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moonraven
Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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I am not going to repeat the history of the past 20 years of Venezuela on this thread. If you would like to know something about it, check my posts on the General Latin American Forum under a thread called "Maybe Venezuela". They are very thorough, despite the size of the subject.
And you do not have to inform me about Ch�vez' respect for Fidel Castro. Castro is one of the most intelligent beings on the planet, has outlasted HOW MANY US presidential regimes that were out to get him since 1959 (excluding the period 1976-80 of Jimmy Carter)? UN studies show education for young people in Cuba is far superior to that of the US. (Some posters on this forum could have benefited from a better education, clearly, as they don't know the difference between information and propaganda.)
As for the attempted coup by Ch�vez in 1992--the few people killed were of great concern to him--which is why two years later he formed a political party and went to elections. However, in order to understand history, one must understand the context in which events occur--in this case the coup attempt was a response to the MASSACRE called the Caracazo committed by corrupt president Carlos Andr�s P�rez (since tpossed out of office and living in exile since he escaped from prison) in which UNCOUNTED people were killed.
Yes, Ch�vez is my hero. He is also my friend, and a forceful companion in the work to defend human dignity.
Apparently the difference between his generous donation and the peanuts pledged by Bush didn't sit well with you. Complain to Bush--don't try to run down an honorable leader because the guy you support is a mean-spirited individual. |
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Nagoyaguy
Joined: 15 May 2003 Posts: 425 Location: Aichi, Japan
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Ah, the maybe venezuela thread. I read it. Interesting debate there regarding how the current regime in Caracas came to power and what they are doing in regards to human rights in that nation.
At least until it was concluded with Moonraven whinging about abusive language....... |
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Nagoyaguy
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Back to the issue of stinginess....
I wonder why nobody complained when France's initial pledge was a grand total of $200,000?
Of course, it was revised upwards since then. As was the US's initial $15,000,000. If you recall, when the tsunami first hit, we did not know the extent of the damage. However, as days went by and the numbers kept growing, the amount of aid pledged also grew. |
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homersimpson
Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Posts: 569 Location: Kagoshima
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:36 am Post subject: |
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And you do not have to inform me about Ch�vez' respect for Fidel Castro. Castro is one of the most intelligent beings on the planet, has outlasted HOW MANY US presidential regimes that were out to get him since 1959 (excluding the period 1976-80 of Jimmy Carter)? UN studies show education for young people in Cuba is far superior to that of the US. (Some posters on this forum could have benefited from a better education, clearly, as they don't know the difference between information and propaganda.)
As for the attempted coup by Ch�vez in 1992--the few people killed were of great concern to him--which is why two years later he formed a political party and went to elections. However, in order to understand history, one must understand the context in which events occur--in this case the coup attempt was a response to the MASSACRE called the Caracazo committed by corrupt president Carlos Andr�s P�rez (since tpossed out of office and living in exile since he escaped from prison) in which UNCOUNTED people were killed.
Yes, Ch�vez is my hero. He is also my friend, and a forceful companion in the work to defend human dignity. |
(Nagoya, forget my private, this is too easy! )
Castro has outlasted so many regimes because in the U.S. a president can't serve more than 8 years. Funny how you had to put a question mark after Carter's term in office. You were in your early 30s at that point, yet you are fuzzy on the dates?
Regarding your pal Chavez, one has to understand the context of how killing 18 people is OK. He felt bad, oh, why didn't you say so? That justifies it.
Chavez is your friend? You have tea w/him? You know his home phone number? You guys hang out at the mall?
Boy, you've gone too far in exposing yourself on this post. |
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moonraven
Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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homer,
Please learn to read. The question mark was OUTSIDE the parenthesis of Carter's dates in office because it was a question. It began with the word HOW.
Your reason for why Castro has outlasted all those presidents who were sending the CIA to assassinate him every 15 minutes is simply laughable.
In regard to my friendship with Ch�vez: A friend is someone with whom one shares ideas, projects, philosophy of life in an enjoyable manner. Although I do not hang out at the mall with him (neither of us is into US-style shopping, sorry Gap and WalMart lovers), I have done a project with him, and have participated with him in several events. And perhaps because of my differences with other types of folks represented on this forum, he introduced me in an event in Caracas as "The Proof of the Existence of Good Gringos".
As for your surreal comment about my exposing myself--the CIA wouldn't consider hiring you for 5 seconds. |
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| Nagoyaguy wrote: |
Back to the issue of stinginess....
I wonder why nobody complained when France's initial pledge was a grand total of $200,000?
Of course, it was revised upwards since then. As was the US's initial $15,000,000. If you recall, when the tsunami first hit, we did not know the extent of the damage. However, as days went by and the numbers kept growing, the amount of aid pledged also grew. |
Well, it would be interesting to know when France made such an offer. Those 200'000 U.S. yoyos look like the were offered by a private person.
Knowing your knack to belittle European countries' contributions I bet, however, your information is from an opaque source.
As a reminder: had the U.S.A. not such a moron for president, America would have a far better prestige.
Meanwhile, you don't need to be a son of a bush to publicly demonstrate your coarseness. Just go on bleating to the whole world at large how "generous" the U.S. was!
It is great knowledge for all those orphans, husbands or wives who lost the rest of their family. Not to mention an enormous shot in the arm of the local economies. |
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Nagoyaguy
Joined: 15 May 2003 Posts: 425 Location: Aichi, Japan
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, I exaggerated. The initial French pledge was 100,000 Euros, which is less than the 200,000 US dollars I quoted. My apologies. Here is the story, from Reuters;
French Tsunami Toll 14 Dead, 35 Missing-Minister
Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:23:03 PM ET
PARIS (Reuters) - The number of French victims of southern Asia's tsunami disaster has risen to 14 and at least 35 people are missing after being swept away by giant waves, Foreign Minister Michel Barnier said on Tuesday.
"At the moment I can say there are 14 French dead in this tragedy for sure, 35 or 37 missing who we are searching for and there are 105 French injured," he told France 2 television from the Sri Lankan capital Colombo, where he arrived with aid supplies earlier on Tuesday.
"There are probably dozens of French we are searching for and don't know where they are," he said.
"Many French and Europeans left on vacation without saying when or where they were going. So unfortunately we have to consider these numbers to be provisional."
Barnier was due to continue to Thailand on Wednesday morning to bring aid supplies and survey the damage from the giant wall of water triggered by an earthquake in Sumatra.
The French Defense Ministry was sending eight experts in identifying bodies and a military airplane that will fly over the Maldives and the Thai coast to search for people cut off by the flood and for the bodies of victims.
Paris has earmarked 100,000 euros ($135,400) for initial rescue efforts in Thailand. It planned to send 16 rescue workers to Thailand on Tuesday and 10 tonnes of humanitarian aid to Sri Lanka in the next few days, the ministry said. ($1=.7386 Euro)
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homersimpson
Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Posts: 569 Location: Kagoshima
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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homer,
Please learn to read. The question mark was OUTSIDE the parenthesis of Carter's dates in office because it was a question. It began with the word HOW.
Your reason for why Castro has outlasted all those presidents who were sending the CIA to assassinate him every 15 minutes is simply laughable.
In regard to my friendship with Ch�vez: A friend is someone with whom one shares ideas, projects, philosophy of life in an enjoyable manner. Although I do not hang out at the mall with him (neither of us is into US-style shopping, sorry Gap and WalMart lovers), I have done a project with him, and have participated with him in several events. And perhaps because of my differences with other types of folks represented on this forum, he introduced me in an event in Caracas as "The Proof of the Existence of Good Gringos".
As for your surreal comment about my exposing myself--the CIA wouldn't consider hiring you for 5 seconds. |
Your first point is correct. I misread. Unlike nutjobs I can admit my mistakes.
The CIA has been trying to kill Castro every 15 minutes (for how long?) and still failed? Seems over the last 50 years it would have accomplished that goal at least by accident. (Of course like all your claims you provide no evidence of this, but that is just your way).
No, most people consider a friend as someone you actually (intimately) know. We played tennis, went shopping (not at WalMart, but at the Earth Barn), talked on the phone, met for lunch. You are "friends" w/Chavez in your mind. What's his phone number? I know the phone numbers of my friends.
My comments were not surreal and had nothing to do w/the CIA. Interesting how that was your first reaction (the gov't is out to get me!). I was referring to your claim to be a friend of Chavez. Such an outlandish claim clearly exposed you as an imposter. |
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