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ramakentesh
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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Well Ive been in Taipei looking for work for about three weeks now and in my opinion my positive outlook has taken a bit of a battering.
Maybe im just not used to going to job interviews where a group of ten office staff try to manipulate, bully, belittle and humiliate you to then justify the fact that they only want to offer you half the pay rate that they 'guaranteed' you before you came, or the fact that all the 'special conditions' that they offered you are now 'old information and no longer apply'.
Maybe its just the chain schools, but i find it hard to work for someone who'se job it is to teach children english, yet cannot speak english themselves other than numbers and 'hello'.
We are in a hostel full of normal westerners (which in itself are hard to find - half the westerners we've met so far are weirdoes or austistic types) some of whom are so depressed about the place that they stay in bed all day and have given up trying to find a reasonable apartment.
Maybe we will move out to a smaller city or maindland china - but if things continue at this rate we wont last long here. |
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Chris Smith
Joined: 01 Dec 2004
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| You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. |
Doesn't this:
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| a society governed by criminals and oppression at our expense |
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| the ROC (Republic of Criminals) |
fall into the category of being abusive or hateful?
When I read these kinds of statements I feel a little revulsion, and for people who have never set foot in Taiwan I'm sure they must have a sense of unease when they read them.
These statements help no one. They are offensive. They undermine any real issues that should be given attention.
If I were Taiwanese and reading such comments I would certainly be taking them personally and be offended by them.
I cannot understand why they are acceptable on this site. |
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Aristotle
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Taiwan
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Corrupt Police Suspected in Illegal Gambling Operations!
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After interrogating 16 people, investigators in Kaohsiung County yesterday detained six people, including several police officers, for running illegal arcades.
The police raided 20 arcades on Friday and obtained evidence that indicated the involvement of police officers providing cover for the illegal operations. Investigators confiscated the account books of the arcade owners.
Investigators immediately round up the suspects, 16 in total, and brought them back to the station for questioning. Two police officers, one of them retired, were found to be involved in providing cover for arcade owners.
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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Thanks for taking the time to explain things Jim. It is good to get a mod's perspective on the situation.
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A quick review of the site rules.....
You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. |
I think that this is the rule that many of us are concerned is being infringed upon by Aristotles posts. I think that his choice of words and phrases is definitely hateful and abusive; and I agree that his posts would also be considered abusive or even obscene to Taiwanese.
If you removed the offensive and emotive words from many of Aritotle's posts then you would be left with a thread that contained very little value, and I think that this is the point that some of us are trying to make.
He has the right to post his opinion as we all do, and we each have the right to reply to the posts of others. But surely he has a responsibility to avoid hateful language that is clearly directed at attempted to slight this country and the people who run this country. Surely that makes many of his posts slanderous.
Isn't there also a rule about posting links without posting any text about those links? I mean it's not really a discussion to be posting tidbits of information from other sources. Surely it is reasonable to expect that the text of the poster at least equal the content of any links or quotes made?
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| Furthermore, when things start to go around in circles and nothing new is being offered to the thread, that's when a mod is likely going to lock the thing. |
Is this thread not guilty of that as far as Aristotle's posts go?
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| I don't know how many mods actually live in Taiwan. I don't. I try to fulfill my moderation duties as well as I can, even with the handicap of not always knowing what the FACTS are.... Your best bet is to refute an arguement directly on the thread, citing any references you may have to establish credibility. Then, failing that, let the mods know if things have degenerated into a he said/she said match. |
Agreed. In fact this is why Aristotles posts do have some value here. He brings to this board a lot of common misconceptions and this allows us to answer these with facts. It just seems to be stretching things a bit when he posts about unrelated matters or fails to offer opinions in his posts.
As far as this particular thread goes, I can see the relevance in some of the snippets that Aristotle has posted, but the majority of the snippets that he has posted here out of the newspapers don't seem to have any relevance to foreign teachers living in Taiwan. It seems clear that he is searching for every negative thing he can find and posts that here. What is that achieving exactly? |
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JimDunlop2
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan
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Clark Griswald: fair enough.
Chris Smith.... Let me get a perspective on this from some of the other mods. As I've said before, I'm not always right but I do what I can.
In the mean time, this thread has gotten pretty circular, I'd say. It's gone on for a while now, I think it's time to say goodbye to it.
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