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Japanese TEFL market in collapse
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Brooks



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the cheapest way is to fly from Kobe. Flights are as low as 10,000 on Skymark Airlines for the next year.
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abufletcher



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vince wrote:

I agree. Japanese teachers are the only way to go for total beginner classes. I once tried to teach two complete beginners from China, and it didn't take long for me to start using Japanese.


I've taught ESL to adult "dead beginners" in multi-ethnic classrooms in the US where English was the only option. I've also taught beginning German to Arabs in Kuwait and used only German in class -- because to use Engish seemed like the worst sort of cultural imperialism. I didn't use any Arabic in class either. I'm not absolutely opposed to the use of the L1 in mono-cultural classrooms but I think it has to be used very carefully and very judiciously.

Teaching raw beginners exclusively in the target language is hard, no bones about it, but it can be done and done effectively. Psychololgically, young beginners probably need to be hearing their own language from time to time during a lesson. But then they need to be weaned off of this dependence fairly quickly. One of the biggest obstacles I have teaching university conversation classes is the students literally cannot imagine staying in English for a full 60 seconds.

Well, I'm not sure if the original thread even exists anymore but there's been some very interesting discussion on this NEW topic! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brooks wrote:
the cheapest way is to fly from Kobe. Flights are as low as 10,000 on Skymark Airlines for the next year.


Interesting. I hadn't realized that there was an airport in Kobe and I've never heard of Skymark. Unfortunately, I'd still have to make my way from Zentsuji to Kobe. Anyway, the university pays for the transport costs and they don't seem to care how I travel.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry Embarassed

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Brooks



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is the ferry to Kobe from Takamatsu, but since you don`t pay, definitely taking the plane from Takamatsu is the fastest option.

Sweetsee, remember that Abu has more time to head over to Tokyo.
I have to work until the 18th, and get less than two weeks off this month.
Such is the trade off with working at a high school.
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Mark



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard of Skymark but never used it. It seems like a good, discount domestic carrier.

But it's basically 20,000 to fly to Kobe and back, not really too much different than taking the Shinkansen to Osaka. And, with the extra hassle of getting out to Haneda and going through security and whatnot, I wonder if it would be any faster.

But they seemed to have direct flights from Takamatsu to Haneda, unless I'm remembering that wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Brooks, what I am curious about is: Abu said he has a job in Tokyo.
But that is part of his job down there, right?
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Brooks



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark, I disagree.
What it boils down to is where you are going from point A to point B.
If you take Nozomi from Shin-Yokohama to Osaka, that will cost about 27/28,000 yen, depending on if the ticket is a discount ticket or if your seat is reserved.
It depends where in Osaka you are going. If you are going to Sakai or the southern part of Osaka fu, I prefer to take the plane.
My former boss is from Wakayama, and he always will fly to KIX instead of going to Shin-Osaka station, taking Midosuji to Tennoji, then taking JR to Wakayama.
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Doglover



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
But Brooks, what I am curious about is: Abu said he has a job in Tokyo.
But that is part of his job down there, right?


Abu has a full time tenured job in Takamatsu and 'moonlights' 3 days a week at another school in Tokyo for a 3 month stint.

Good money while you can get it though Im sure the commute is a pain,
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But his school is paying?
Cool, huh?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
But his school is paying?
Cool, huh?


Temple University flies its professors in from Hawaii and the mainland USA for 3 month stints, for weekend seminars and fly them all over the country visiting the various campuses. Students are paying, so they can afford it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see. Abu's moonlighting job pays the travel expenses?
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abufletcher



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, it's a pretty equitable arrangement and fairly standard. Most jobs will pay a transportation allowance. This is just a longer commute. I don't claim to understand the economics of all this but I assume that paying for specialists to come and teach courses allows Temple to have a strong program while at the same time keeping the size of their full-time staff to a minimum. Adjuncts are always a cheaper option than full-time with benefits.

Even their full-time staff regularly flies (or takes the train) between their three campuses in Tokyo, Osaka, and Fukuoka. This is no doubt cheaper than having three sets of faculty. I'd be happy to save Temple some money on transportation costs though if I can figure out a cheaper route that's still convenient. Since flying from Takamatsu still involves a 40 minute drive coming and going to my town of Zentsuji as well as an inevitable wait at the airport and travel in from Haneda, it might indeed be just as fast to take the shinkasen. Though I'm not sure this is particularly cheaper. There's a night bus but I'm afraid I might be too wiped out to be very effective as a teacher.

Anyway, my travel arrangements are two giant steps off of the original topic(s). Anyone have any more to say on the changing EFL market in Japan or the background that might be helpful to teachers looking for that non-eikaiwa job in Japan? Do qualifications even matter in the current era of dispatch companies?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would venture to say that if you have the connections, qualifications don't matter, don't hurt either.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

womblingfree wrote:

As far as applied linguistics & language learning goes Chomsky was ousted from his dominant position donkeys years ago.


I was going back over some of the posts and wanted to add that Krashen's extremely influential set of hypotheses on language learning, which lie at the heart of the communicative approach, are still ultimately rooted in a Chomskyan style nativism which assumes a language acquisition device of some sort. This can be contrasted with Vygostkyan perspectives on learning which view learning more as a situated dialog between "expert" and "novice" where learning is the result of "scaffolded participation."
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