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englishgibson
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 Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:23 am Post subject: English First Shenzhen any information |
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Well another thing is also for sure and that is that there are scores of the ones highly interested in reading on and highly interested in putting the right "tone" to those forums 
How many user names do some "honest ones" have???
Repetitions are for a reason sometimes 
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It is my understanding that many people who come to china believe they come there to just play and drink and have a good time. Many are not there to work.
I take the good with the bad. As I see it, from what the few of you had griped about. The EF company is not as bad as it looks. I have seen more good reviews from all the websites I have been to than bad reviews. The only bad reviews come from the same few people who frequent all these sites.
I have reviewed blacklists of school, I have gone to many teachers posts for china.
One thing I know is that a person cant base all they know aobut a company, from the post of a few individuals who might have had problems with management.
It is like with any place you go. YOU cant base your decision based on the facts of a few disgruntled employees.
Every company is going to have itd good points and it bad. The will be the same no matter where you go. The best thing to do is do the best you can.
Eveyone says that there aer lots of jobs in china for English teachers. If the first one is not what you expected, you will know that another is right around the corner.
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This has obviously been written by a Chinese person. The errors in syntax and the choice of phrasing - as in translated Chinese proverbs - are all too familiar.
Please, no liars or cheats on this forum. You work for EF and have been told to post this. That much is obvious. |
It is certainly attrative to some, isn't it?
Keep it coming ladies....you are soooo productive 
Peace to allll
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OGFT
Joined: 24 Jun 2006
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| Repetitions are for a reason sometimes |
To show what a weaked willed FT wanna be you are.
EF should pay you for the comparison you have brought to the attention of the readers...
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| Firstly, just or not, his persistence to deride EF China is actually counterproductive due to his self-discrediting posts |
If he had anything to say ..it would have been said by now...
at this point English, you have lost the face game.. |
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MITCH
Joined: 18 Aug 2006
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Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| so I�m now actually contemplating taking up such an offer with EF as a Director of Studies, whereas before I wasn't. |
VOR, let us all know how the interview goes, and whether you took the position.
I have a feeling you will never work for them. They simply don't pay enough. Not to mention the Chinese management! You'll have to work weekends for sure.
Why do i see so many EFF's DOS positions available? Can anyone answer this question?
By the way can anyone furnish the EF code of conduct, and the job description for DOS? I'd love to read that one. |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:40 am Post subject: English First Shenzhen any information |
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Some on this forum have no clue to what the EF DOS position is like or what the EF code of conduct or job description of a DOS are, however they "keep on coming", teasing, flaming, and misleading this thread. Some on this forum have conveniently disregarded the point of why the OP has posted here.
Some have rather interesting interests, don't they?
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| EF should pay you for the comparison you have brought to the attention of the readers... |
somehow I feel that you are getting paid down the road there .... getting paid for "putting the right tone" to those forums ....however, it's nice to see that you actually worry about those readers
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| at this point English, you have lost the face game.. |
so, on here it is about that "game", isn't it?
Forums are still a source of info for the hard working FTs, even if some play "games" on. Although, I sure hope that those "games" will not take over the forums in future. It'd be a sad thing, since we have little to rely on here in China.
Peace to allll
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cj750
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at this point English, you have lost the face game..
so, on here it is about that "game", isn't it?
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It is a game when you offer nothing in the way of real information, instead only the tirade of a poster who sez they worked for EF but offers no real insight into the reasons that EF becomes a target for your vague and often unrecognizable accusation.
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Some on this forum have no clue to what the EF DOS position is like or what the EF code of conduct or job description of a DOS are, however they "keep on coming", teasing, flaming, and misleading this thread. Some on this forum have conveniently disregarded the point of why the OP has posted here.
Some have rather interesting interests, don't they |
I am beginning to understand that this include you as well...so go on..FT tells what it does entail...if you ever worked for EF at all....
Put up bit ch or shut up.. |
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The Voice Of Reason
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http://www.englishfirst.com/teacherinfo/DOS_recruitment/China_DOS_Factsheet.doc
I worked for EF (in China), as a teacher, about five years ago, and it was truly (honestly) fine (but I do understand that some were less fortunate with their EF schools). I agree with you Mitch, that the wages for an EF DOS (and teachers too, I think) are well on the low side (they've not changed over the last five years at least), but it'd be that, rather than working weekends or having Chinese management, that'd be the reason why I wouldn't return if I decide not to (nor does the understanding that englishgibson was fired from his EF DOS position put me off either). |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:29 am Post subject: English First Shenzhen any information |
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Loads of cr*p after the OP disappeared
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methos wrote:
It is my understanding that many people who come to china believe they come there to just play and drink and have a good time. Many are not there to work.
I take the good with the bad. As I see it, from what the few of you had griped about. The EF company is not as bad as it looks. I have seen more good reviews from all the websites I have been to than bad reviews. The only bad reviews come from the same few people who frequent all these sites.
I have reviewed blacklists of school, I have gone to many teachers posts for china.
One thing I know is that a person cant base all they know aobut a company, from the post of a few individuals who might have had problems with management.
It is like with any place you go. YOU cant base your decision based on the facts of a few disgruntled employees.
Every company is going to have itd good points and it bad. The will be the same no matter where you go. The best thing to do is do the best you can.
Eveyone says that there aer lots of jobs in china for English teachers. If the first one is not what you expected, you will know that another is right around the corner.
Someone replied:
This has obviously been written by a Chinese person. The errors in syntax and the choice of phrasing - as in translated Chinese proverbs - are all too familiar.
Please, no liars or cheats on this forum. You work for EF and have been told to post this. That much is obvious. |
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no_exit
Joined: 12 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.englishfirst.com/teacherinfo/DOS_recruitment/China_DOS_Factsheet.doc
I worked for EF (in China), as a teacher, about five years ago, and it was truly (honestly) fine (but I do understand that some were less fortunate with their EF schools). I agree with you Mitch, that the wages for an EF DOS (and teachers too, I think) are well on the low side (they've not changed over the last five years at least), but it'd be that, rather than working weekends or having Chinese management, that'd be the reason why I wouldn't return if I decide not to (nor does the understanding that englishgibson was fired from his EF DOS position put me off either). |
VOR,
When I used to work for EF, the salary at my old center was highly negotiable. There was an entire range of salaries and contracts available, so you should negotiate and see if you can get anymore out of them. Afterall, there's no harm in shooting for the salary that you're worth, and from my experience, the salaries aren't as set in stone as they might seem to be (and this applied especially to the DOS position). The DOS at the center I worked for was a good friend of mine, and I can honestly say that he was able to make a big difference at that center and made things a lot better for the FTs. Although he was ready to leave when he did, he didn't dislike his job at all, and probably would have kept doing it had he not made the decision to settle down in his home country and start a family. |
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The Voice Of Reason
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| Thanks for that, no_exit. |
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no_exit
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Anytime.  |
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cj750
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| Loads of cr*p after the OP disappeared |
Englsih 们发现 出 了。 |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:46 am Post subject: English First Shenzhen any information |
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CJ, have you got into the "pasting business"?
...next time paste the word ENGLISH too
No exit, the idea of EF English First franchise was to provide standardized contracts through out China, but that quickly disappeared due to "very friendly" EF Head Office in Shanghai as well as rather "independant EF centers". The Head Office wouldn't dare to rattle the EF investors cages...they'd do virtually anything they could for the rules-bending EF investors. DOSs were (and still are) to sell that "uniformed idea" to the EF investors, and the ones that "went with the flow" lasted longer in their positions at centers Mind you there are fewer and fewer DOSs around and there are more and more "senior teachers" available to do those jobs The center were you've worked, is the one where a DOS once worked. He was first shafted by EF Fuzhou than promoted to DOS (at your place) and then promoted to the EF Head Office to assistant AOM in a spin of a couple years. That center you are talking about had once very good connections with the EF Head Office.
The idea of uniformed EF centers is gone, the hamburgers taste rather different at many EF centers in China, the EF investors are increasingly bitter (don't buy into their smily faces), their Center Managers are highly ambitious with their own ideas, the academics are more and more managed by the ....Chinese
However, this thread's about the OP's honesty and the more some try to flame or disregard the OP here, the more I believe that these are forums not only with "trollies" but also with recruiters, employers, their friends and the m _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ s protecting their interests. After all, there are many job adverts on the site available and there are many cr*ppy ones, mind ya...not the fault of the site though It can be very difficult for FTs in China.
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methos wrote:
It is my understanding that many people who come to china believe they come there to just play and drink and have a good time. Many are not there to work.
I take the good with the bad. As I see it, from what the few of you had griped about. The EF company is not as bad as it looks. I have seen more good reviews from all the websites I have been to than bad reviews. The only bad reviews come from the same few people who frequent all these sites.
I have reviewed blacklists of school, I have gone to many teachers posts for china.
One thing I know is that a person cant base all they know aobut a company, from the post of a few individuals who might have had problems with management.
It is like with any place you go. YOU cant base your decision based on the facts of a few disgruntled employees.
Every company is going to have itd good points and it bad. The will be the same no matter where you go. The best thing to do is do the best you can.
Eveyone says that there aer lots of jobs in china for English teachers. If the first one is not what you expected, you will know that another is right around the corner.
Someone replied:
This has obviously been written by a Chinese person. The errors in syntax and the choice of phrasing - as in translated Chinese proverbs - are all too familiar.
Please, no liars or cheats on this forum. You work for EF and have been told to post this. That much is obvious. |
Cheers and beers to the hard working FTs in China |
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cj750
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| The center were you've worked, is the one where a DOS once worked. He was first shafted by EF Fuzhou than promoted to DOS (at your place) and then promoted to the EF Head Office to assistant AOM in a spin of a couple years. |
Shafted?
Promotions that you didn't share?
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| However, this thread's about the OP's honesty and the more some try to flame or disregard the OP here |
this thread has become a question of your honesty and no one is disregarding the op's original post..just yours... |
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tw
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:38 am Post subject: Re: English First Shenzhen any information |
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methos wrote:
It is my understanding that many people who come to china believe they come there to just play and drink and have a good time. Many are not there to work.
I take the good with the bad. As I see it, from what the few of you had griped about. The EF company is not as bad as it looks. I have seen more good reviews from all the websites I have been to than bad reviews. The only bad reviews come from the same few people who frequent all these sites.
I have reviewed blacklists of school, I have gone to many teachers posts for china.
One thing I know is that a person cant base all they know aobut a company, from the post of a few individuals who might have had problems with management.
It is like with any place you go. YOU cant base your decision based on the facts of a few disgruntled employees.
Every company is going to have itd good points and it bad. The will be the same no matter where you go. The best thing to do is do the best you can.
Eveyone says that there aer lots of jobs in china for English teachers. If the first one is not what you expected, you will know that another is right around the corner.
Someone replied:
This has obviously been written by a Chinese person. The errors in syntax and the choice of phrasing - as in translated Chinese proverbs - are all too familiar.
Please, no liars or cheats on this forum. You work for EF and have been told to post this. That much is obvious. |
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God! Enough of quoting this over and over again already!  你有完没完哪? |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: English First Shenzhen any information |
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Not enough TW! The OP hasn't come back on this forum, although expressed "an interest" in contacting me by pm. Further more, the posts on last few pages have been rather unfriendly as well as misleading to the topic or other topics. In my opinion, forums' threads should stay within their topics, although democracy and freedom is to be enjoyed.
Now and disregarding the fact that the OP has disappeared, I'd repeat my share to this topic. EF English First has got three or four centers in the city of Shenzhen. They are scattered over the city and are all not in downtown. Traveling is often involved there and some of it might be quite extensive. EF has a policy of traveling only up to half an hour away, although many centers bend the rules in China. Further more, there is a policy of classes up to 16 students in one classroom and that's been also manipulated to a large extend (EF Shenzhen too). I am aware of EF Shenzhen centers dealing with a few public schools around there. Expanding on my share of EF experiences with EF and EF Shenzhen, I am aware of one EF Shenzhen center that had to open without a foreing staff member a while ago and without a foreign teacher as well as Director of Studies.
By the way, Shenzhen is a special economic area of China with rather expensive living standard comparing to other Chinese cities, but the EF Shenzhen centers do not really consider that for a fact. Salaries there are as low as in any other city in China. EF Shanghai centers offer about 3,000 RMB monthly more to their teachers/DOSs than they do in Shenzhen.
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