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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:48 pm Post subject:

A gross generalisation, but my rule of thumbis: an MA to get the job, a Delta to do it. Seems to work most of the time : )

esl_prof

Joined: 30 Nov 2013
Posts: 2006
Location: peyi kote solèy frèt

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:54 pm Post subject:

Actually, if you're just doing the DELTA to compliment an MA (because that's what you needed to land the job), you could probably get away with just doing modules 2 and 3 as module 1 (the theory piece) would most likely be more than adequately covered in one's MA work.

Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:04 pm Post subject:

True. But might as well finish the job and have the actual diploma.

VietCanada

Joined: 30 Nov 2010
Posts: 590

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:54 pm Post subject:

kurtz wrote:

VietCanada wrote:

kurtz wrote:

I think a certain Canadian stands for the average TEFELer in Asia; an absolute joke.

While there may be a certain degree of truth in the fact that most jobs in Asia are for teaching kids, I think it might be fair to say that those jobs are an absolute joke and so are the "teachers" who take those jobs.

I may have mentioned a degree, but this was in the context of money; my 5 year degree was somewhat more expensive than the very cbeap CELTA. Perhaps a certain someone needs to improve his reading comprehension.

My entry level job involved teaching adults for 80% of my classes. I did have a CELTA and a degree, so it wasn't a job for total riff raff like most jobs in Asia.

The CELTA is hardly rocket science, but it looks good on a CV and certainly gives you an advantage to get better jobs in Asia.

I have a double degree in Sci/Engineering and as someone who knows a thing or two about TEFL, an MA is not a logical progression. For someone who seems concerned about money, investing in an MA is a poor choice. Go get yourself a Dip.Ed and then you can go mouthing off.

Still trolling I see.

But at least you've sort of admitted that teaching in Asia is mostly about children.

An MA in teaching or Linguistics for example is certainly not on a par with getting a DELTA eh? Sorry but that's the real joke here. Your insistance on shilling for a 4 month crash course teaching adults when all one needs is a three year degree from a certified university in one of seven English speaking countries.

Guys I've met over the years with on-line masters in TESOL or linguistics have all done quite well for themselves. Those who have been published, even better. They are what you think you are.

If a guy with an engineering degree can't get a job engineering then I don't what else to say.

My brother-in-law has been working on exciting projects in Sweden, Montreal and elsewhere with his four year degree from Waterloo University in Ontario, Canada. He taught in Japan for awhile after graduating but only because he wanted to. He was a twenty something kid. He had fun, met his wife (not in Japan since I know how quick you are to jump to conclusions) and long ago settled down to raise a family.

But here you are in a death match, willing to die on that DELTA hill. LOL

Do your rants ever end?

Yes, I admitted, or perhaps stated the bleedin obvious, that most jobs in Asia involve teaching kids. Well hellaluya; got me on that one.......I guessed you missd the point though, so let me tell you it again. Most jobs in Asia are a joke. Any half serious teacher would have a degree, a teaching cert with an observed practical component and only work for a legitimate school that offets a work permit and visa. If you don't have those things, why am I even bothering with you?

Projecting again. I worked in engineering for over ten years. I guess I did the want to work and travel abroad thing. It has worked out pretty well.

I will say it again. Considering that you think the CELTA is expensive, which is a bit of a worry, how would you even consider laying down the money for an MA? Bit beyond your means.

Also, I made reference to a Dip.Ed which is a piece of paper that would allow one to work in a non EFL context Why bring up the Delta? I think it is you who are obsessed with all things Cambridge, not me. Challenge. Please highlight where I wrote that the Delta trumps an MA. Challenge number 2. Tell me how an MA is different to the Delta.

You seem to think getting an unrelated degree and an online MA is a ticket to a world of releasing papers and being an EFL god. I am sure you have inspired a host of teachers into studying for something that is theory based and will result in fame and fortune in Europe.

Perhaps you should look into what the Delta involves and how your students would benefit from completing it; however, in your case this is not relevant; you don't need it for the kind of teaching you do; a pulse is all you need.

Do yours?

And the truth always outs. As I've said repeatedly the whole point of these dicussions ha always been to diminish those who choose to teach in Asia and/or choose to teach children.

You want to discuss missing the point?

My god this stuff is getting seriously pathetic.

Elementary school teachers and MA holders the world over must have spewed copious coffees, beers and perhaps breakfast onto their monitors at this point.

A one month crash course in teaching adults is superior to earning any MA.

And of course it means one is a better children's teacher than someone who earned a degree or Cert. specific to teaching chidren.

Right.

I earned an MA in pure Physics but I can't figure out English grammer.

I have a DELTA therefore I am a good teacher.

The laffs never end on this thread.

You won the internet.

A little bit of knowledge (any TEFL) is a dangerous thing.

I just can't stop laughing that anyone actually believes any MA is less than TEFFL Cert. This is just fascinating stuff. Keep it up!

Last edited by VietCanada on Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:06 pm; edited 1 time in total

spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:02 pm Post subject:

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A one month crash course in teaching adults is superior to earning any MA.

Are you referring to a DELTA? If so, I think the full-time programme is usually 3 months.

No one has said it's superior to an MA. The point is that it includes supervised teaching practice, which not all MAs do include (though some do).

VietCanada

Joined: 30 Nov 2010
Posts: 590

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:14 pm Post subject:

spiral78 wrote:

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A one month crash course in teaching adults is superior to earning any MA.

Sorry but I can't resist.

First of all, MA students teach BA students under the supervision of PHD.

And of course...

Ooooh, a three month crash course is better than two (or three) year's studying in University and either publishing, writing a thesis and/or facing the profs (2 or 3) in your choice of study questioning you to be sure you actually have mastered the subject.

Do you guys actually read? Go to any science website and read about the discoveries made by or with the help of master's students.

You can't seriously believe that a celta, delta, felta is in any way in the same league as any masters from any uni, particularly a well regarded one.

A Harvard MA is less than a 1 or 3 month TEFL cert..

This is getting hilarious.

Don't any of you guys have uni experience?

Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Posts: 11061
Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:23 pm Post subject:

VietCanada wrote:

I earned an MA in pure Physics but I can't figure out English grammer.

I just can't stop laughing that anyone actually believes any MA is less than TEFFL Cert. This is just fascinating stuff. Keep it up!

Perhaps my sense of humour just isn't as advanced as yours, but did you really mean to misspell 'grammar'? Or was that simply an ignorant mistake? So hard to tell, given the context....

VietCanada

Joined: 30 Nov 2010
Posts: 590

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:26 pm Post subject:

Sashadroogie wrote:

VietCanada wrote:

Perhaps my sense of humour just isn't as advanced as yours, but did you really mean to misspell 'grammar'? Or was that simply an ignorant mistake. So hard to tell, given the context....

Isn't the stark fact that everyone (except your pals) in every thread is ignoring your posts a clue?

I doubt any random reader misses that.

Are you in love with me or what?

Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Posts: 11061
Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:31 pm Post subject:

Your use of words like 'fact' stretches the imagination considerably...

VietCanada

Joined: 30 Nov 2010
Posts: 590

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:37 pm Post subject:

Sashadroogie wrote:

Your use of words like 'fact' stretches the imagination considerably...

Why do you bother? I'm going to sleep now as I actually work for a living. But you feel free to troll all you want. Good night. I'll catch up to you in a few days or a week maybe. I have a life to live not a board to patrol in case anyone disses my beloved Certs..

You're either a DELTA or you're agin me.

Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Posts: 11061
Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:39 pm Post subject:

Cпокойной ночи!

VietCanada

Joined: 30 Nov 2010
Posts: 590

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:00 pm Post subject:

Sashadroogie wrote:

Cпокойной ночи!

If this was the Russian board where you work readers might understand that but unfortunately this is the Vietnamese board.

Chúng ta nói tiếng việt

Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Posts: 11061
Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:01 pm Post subject:

I thought Google was everybody's friend?

VietCanada

Joined: 30 Nov 2010
Posts: 590

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:05 pm Post subject:

Sashadroogie wrote:

I thought Google was everybody's friend?

You really are thingy short a thingamabob aren't you?

Attacking Google because...

And no I don't care what you said. The medium is the message. You wrote Russian on the Vietnamese board. Who does that? Do you write Latvian on the Mexican board to prove what an expert you are on qualifications for teaching in Mexico? LOL

Clueless from day one yet you soldier on.

Last edited by VietCanada on Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:09 pm; edited 1 time in total

Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Posts: 11061
Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:08 pm Post subject:

This is such a welcome relief from trials of holding down a Celta-shilling job. A veritable tonic!

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