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Royal Iquama's-What's th Deal?
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
"Put not your trust in princes" Psalm 146:3

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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EnglishDoYouSpeakIt wrote:
The same to you, nomad soul, you give one example of someone working for a princess and thus having any princess as your kafeel must be terrible? Generalize much?

Nowhere did I use the word "terrible" and neither did my colleague when she talked about working as a personal skin care specialist for this particular Saudi princess. She simply said her job was not glamorous because she had to be available 24/7 considering the nature of her work.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EnglishDoYouSpeakIt wrote:
Those who say "Only 2 out of all the teachers..." That's a logical fallacy. I know of two who have 'royal iqamas', out of all the people I know. I don't know every teacher to come through KSA in the last twenty years, do I?


Look, you committed the original logical fallacy by claiming that what scot said is "extremely not true". You tried to refute his assertion (chances approach zero) by telling us that you know 2 people with such iqamas. How does that negate what scot said? Furthermore, his assertion is true, not just of teachers, but of pretty much any profession. Unless you directly work for a royal, your chances--whether you are a teacher, a doctor, or whatever--of getting a royal iqama (and then freelancing) are close to zero. That's only possible with some serious connections, or if you happen to be friends with a royal. That's fact.

Now an anecdote: I had a student who is a prince, and he is very different from the stereotypical image of princes. Very down to earth, dresses in an ordinary thobe with no headgear, etc. He also was somewhat close to me, and even gave me a gift for my daughter when she was born (no, it did not influence his grade at all). Anyway, I asked him if he or his father/uncle could sponsor me, and he asked them but said no. His father at the time was the minister of interior, so perhaps it was because of that, as he was in a high profile position. I have had another prince student, a grandson of the late King Faisal, and he is also close to me. I just might ask him in the future.

(BTW, just so you know, I didn't say the "Only 2 out of..." bit)
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kugaas



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello all,

I know a few people who've considered this route and I have researched this option. It is true a lot of people who do have long term plans here consider this approach. However, ironically, it's not worth it.

A lot of employers notoriously exploit 'freelancers'. You are much more likely not to get paid as a free lancer than as a fully fledged in house teacher. There are no strings attached, you are just a body who has walked into the premiss. They wont offer you flights 'home' since KSA is where you came to them from! lol, You wont be offered housing since they're not obliged legally, and you won't be on a bonafied western pay scale. Cynically, and a Saudi told me this, employers will assume you weren't able to get work in the west or will have other suspicions about you (long distance MAs spring ot mind).

For the initial price of an iqama, typically and accurately reported at around the 25/30k mark, it is of very little value for money. Especially since now, it only equates to sponsorship for a year, and on rare occasions or depending on the type of iqama obtained, two years. Then one must factor in the costs of sponsoring their families and children on their sponsorship, which even costs more! I know a friend who recently fled to the emirates after blowing over 60k sar! on this nonsense. And that's exactly what it is, a scheme.

The reality with 'buying' iqamas is that it's not officially a legal thing to do and therefore why the government pays a blind eye to the hoards of unscrupulous middle men who extort, bully and basically rip off 'muslims who want to immigrate to this land.' Islamically it isn't allowed either since it always almost involves lying, decide or fraud. I think Scot has hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately, the people who are subjugated to this misery or subjugate themselves to it against the heaps of advice are almost always those who want to take a short cut when most others take the responsible normal route. Just get a job like everyone else!

The fact of the matter is that you're more likely to stay in this country indefinitely with a stable private employer or government employer if you are young to start with and want to remain competitive.
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