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Uni. vs. full-time: Best way to earn and save
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I note that the OP hasn't indicated that he/she wishes to accumulate savings at home.
If the savings are to be put toward doing something entrepreneurial in China, then the exchange rate isn't a consideration.
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teachingld2004



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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 6:20 am    Post subject: saving Reply with quote

OP, you havae an online job at home? Most likely you will not be able to keep it because of the time. Here for eample, w hen it ism 9am it is 9PM in NY You may be working when you are supposed to be on line, or you may have to talk at 3am. I would not count on keeping that 20dollar an hour job.

And as some people have said, SKYPE works not so good here, but in Hong Kong there seems to be no problem. I am in a small city.

Saving depends on so many things. Number one where you live,a nd number 2 what you like spending your money on A cup of coffee on the outside can cost 23rmb.

I know new people ask questions, and they should, but a lot of the answers you will get depends on where you live. Where I live I do not spend a lot of money. I make my own coffee, I cook. I do not drink (well, I drink, but not often)

People talk about their part tie jobs. I have a part tie job and so far I have not touched my paycheck. So, think about your life style,, and then thnk about where you want to live.

My friend has a girlfriend and I think he spends around 2000rmb a month on her. He complains to me, and when I tell him to drop her he tells me she is SO good in_ _ _. Nothing else needs to be said
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weigookin74



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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

choudoufu wrote:
Non Sequitur wrote:
The thread topic is 'earning and saving'.
The outcome in OP's home currency, is a big factor in deciding whether to put in the hours to earn more RMB.


i'm not understanding this. OP lives in china, works in china, gets his
salary and part-time fees in china money. what the heck does it really
matter what the exchange rate is? he needs to base his calculations
on the cost of living of where he lives around.

either it's worth his time to charge 125 rmb/hour or it's not. if not, what will
he do with his time? he can't exactly commute to london for part-time
work teaching english.

why 125? that's equal to $20 today. you say the rmb exchange rate
is held artificially low? i'd argue that as the yuan moves towards full
convertibility, it will rise in value compared to western reserve currencies.
that $20/hour will be worth $20.27 in six months, maybe $20.43 in a year
(not accounting for interest earned).

if he can't justify his part-time work, then he surely won't be able to justify
working for rmpeanuts in a full-time job.


IS his student loan or credit card debts in China too? Will the banks let you send out more money than you make in income?
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kungfuman



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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:16 am    Post subject: Re: saving Reply with quote

teachingld2004 wrote:


My friend has a girlfriend and I think he spends around 2000rmb a month on her. He complains to me, and when I tell him to drop her he tells me she is SO good in_ _ _. Nothing else needs to be said


A teacher in my office pays his girlfriend 5000 a month for the privilege of her living in his room. I told him I don't think you can consider her your girlfriend. I used another world to describe her that started with live -in and ended with wh-ore...
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Voyeur



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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish to save in Canadian dollars--but I fail to see how the exchange rate is an issue, since if the RMB is undervalued, all I can do is gain.

I understand location matters for cost of living. Are the greater expenses in bigger cities primarily a matter of higher rent, or are other things significantly more expensive in Shanghai/Beijing?

My Skype lessons are in Asia and Russia. The timing would work out on enough of them--exactly how many would depend on when my Uni classes are.
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teachingld2004



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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 2:45 pm    Post subject: saving money Reply with quote

Kung...
Your friend must get a terrific salary to pay his gf 5000 a month. She is either amazing, or he is a looser. Anyway, enough of that.
Saving money is hard/simple, depends. And I am not sure about the canadian dollar, but here just over 6rmb equals one dollar, so the money exchange rate is not good. But if you keep your on line students, you can save yur whole pay check (maybe)
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voyeur wrote:
I wish to save in Canadian dollars--but I fail to see how the exchange rate is an issue, since if the RMB is undervalued, all I can do is gain.

I understand location matters for cost of living. Are the greater expenses in bigger cities primarily a matter of higher rent, or are other things significantly more expensive in Shanghai/Beijing?

My Skype lessons are in Asia and Russia. The timing would work out on enough of them--exactly how many would depend on when my Uni classes are.


Can't believe this.
If you earn in one currency and save in another, of course the exchange rate is an issue.
The RMB will appreciate in value over time, but against a basket of currencies.
Whether it will appreciate against the currency you wish to save in, is an unknown as it depends on the demand for that currency.
For example if the Canadian banks paid higher interest rates, or was seen as 'safer' than other countries, then the Canadian dollar would continue to be high against the RMB.
If you are sending money from China to Canada to pay off debt, then a call might be on whether the interest rate on your Canadian debt is lower than what you can earn in your RMB in China.
Every minute, billions swirl around the globe to try and catch that 'wave'.
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Voyeur



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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that exchange rates are always a consideration. I just didn't see why the fact that people were saying the RMB was undervalued was particularly problematic for me.

I do suppose that if I bank in Canada, and then decide I want to stay longer--or even permanently--it could become an issue. I might suddenly want to move some of my savings back to China and find that they are worth a lot less.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I or someone else has mentioned saving in China to execute some entrepreneurial project or other.
That is why it was good to see someone offering to sell a suite of private students recently. This is a kind of capital formation and could get FTs out of their commodity serfdom.
That said, pundits on the forum don't see the extended residency proposals (1 year to 5 years) as impacting on FTs.
China being what it is, a Chinese business 'partner' could see non-renewal of residency as a way of pressuring a laowai to sell his/her interest in a business at fire sale rates.
Everyone knows stories of laowai partners being stiffed by Chinese.
Bit off topic, but if you are saving to start a business - be careful.
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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP,

I work at a uni in the middle of nowhere and this is good for saving money - there is nothing to buy or really do here so no need to spend much money. However, when I go to BJ, the money just flies out of my pocket. It is costly up there and the temptations to spend are everywhere.

I send money back to the States every month and I love it. The RMB keeps going up while the dollar keeps going down. It is a slow trend but a trend nonetheless. I get a raise without having to do anything.

Side work is what keeps me going. I live on side work and bank what I make at the uni. Just got hired for another job and that will, within a few months, triple my pay. I'll be sending at least $1,500 back to the States every month. There is no way I could ever do this had I stayed in the good old US of A. Personally, I would be hesitant to save large amounts of money in this country. Got no love for the States but it is still a reasonably safe place to stash money.

My Internet sucks even with paying for a faster connection and using a vpn. Do not assume you can continue your lessons.

I have looked at investment opportunities here and they are everywhere. What holds me back is the thought of getting screwed by a Chinese partner. I think it is safe to say that I will get screwed if there is ever a dispute. Do I need this or should I invest in America despite all its problems? I know you are from Canada, but the logic should be the same.

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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voyeur wrote:
I wish to save in Canadian dollars--but I fail to see how the exchange rate is an issue, since if the RMB is undervalued, all I can do is gain.

I understand location matters for cost of living. Are the greater expenses in bigger cities primarily a matter of higher rent, or are other things significantly more expensive in Shanghai/Beijing?

My Skype lessons are in Asia and Russia. The timing would work out on enough of them--exactly how many would depend on when my Uni classes are.


Yes, the primary factor is higher rent and it impacts living in the top-tier cities two ways. The first is that everyone has higher rents so businesses charge more. So in general prices are higher. At the rate I buy "stuff", that doesn't impact me. (Also, some things are more available and more competitively priced in the big cities.) Restaurants are more expensive in the big cities. That you would notice. At most places in China, you would be paying much less to take a date to dinner, than say Vancouver or Toronto. Maybe not in Shanghai or Beijing. (Even smaller cities in China have places where big-shots can ostentatiously throw money around, but I mean a typical "nice" restaurant.) Groceries will be more expensive but not horribly so. However, fancy western imported goods are more available, so there is a temptation to up your spending for things you miss from home. (Cheese, Pale Ale, good Wine?) Bookstores will have more books in English and in a better variety.

Fortunately or unfortunately, the temptation part of the equation has come to the villages and hamlets of less than 100,000 people, in the form of online shopping. People shop at taobao or amazon dot cn or other places and have it delivered locally. It's all in Chinese but some foreigners manage it themselves while most ask a friend/student/colleague to order.

The second way rents impact is the rent itself. For most FTs this doesn't matter, though, since most seem to stay in university- or company-provided apartments. In Shanghai and Beijing, however, the FT is more likely to be given a housing stipend to find an apartment on their own. This is also common in other of the larger cities. Then you have to research locations, going rents, and worry about deposits etc. A 2000 RMB rent stipend for Shanghai is a ripoff, or at best a share situation. In some small or out of the way cities, 1000 might rent a very comfortable place. Renting one's own place may be a good way to integrate oneself more into the daily life of China, but I prefer the provided housing in most situations.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to be one of the few that posts here that works an FT (by western standards) job. I have no idea about working at Chinese unis other than what I read here.

I'm able to save 2000+usd per month after all of my expenses at my job in Shanghai working a M-F, 8:30-4, 190 day school year. I don't do private lessons. I don't live in campus/provided housing. I teach 22 classes (14.5 hours per week). I have office hours for the remainder of the time up to 40 hours.

I have money in rmb and usd in my Chinese bank account. I also keep an account in my home country that I send money to periodically. I get what the other poster is going on about with the exchange rates and all, but in my time here the yuan has not gained enough to justify keeping all of my money here in rmb. I feel safer with large amounts in the bank back in my home country.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ecubyrd wrote:
I seem to be one of the few that posts here that works an FT (by western standards) job. I have no idea about working at Chinese unis other than what I read here.

I'm able to save 2000+usd per month after all of my expenses at my job in Shanghai working a M-F, 8:30-4, 190 day school year. I don't do private lessons. I don't live in campus/provided housing. I teach 22 classes (14.5 hours per week). I have office hours for the remainder of the time up to 40 hours.

I have money in rmb and usd in my Chinese bank account. I also keep an account in my home country that I send money to periodically. I get what the other poster is going on about with the exchange rates and all, but in my time here the yuan has not gained enough to justify keeping all of my money here in rmb. I feel safer with large amounts in the bank back in my home country.


+1 to last para.
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ecubyrd wrote:
I'm able to save 2000+usd per month after all of my expenses at my job in Shanghai working a M-F, 8:30-4, 190 day school year. I don't do private lessons. I don't live in campus/provided housing. I teach 22 classes (14.5 hours per week). I have office hours for the remainder of the time up to 40 hours.


You have a typical uni. job, then? Except they make you stay on-site for the other 23.5 hours? What do you have to do during office hours? How much do you get paid? What are your qualifications/experience?
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voyeur wrote:
ecubyrd wrote:
I'm able to save 2000+usd per month after all of my expenses at my job in Shanghai working a M-F, 8:30-4, 190 day school year. I don't do private lessons. I don't live in campus/provided housing. I teach 22 classes (14.5 hours per week). I have office hours for the remainder of the time up to 40 hours.


You have a typical uni. job, then? Except they make you stay on-site for the other 23.5 hours? What do you have to do during office hours? How much do you get paid? What are your qualifications/experience?


Office hours are not part of a typical uni/vocational job.
It is the low commitment of hours (say 16 to 18 pw + say 1 or 2 English Corners per semester) that are the attraction of the uni gig.
This gives you the option of doing privates or not and it is the 'or not' that has always attracted me.
In my first year (2004) I did a 16 hour vocational job plus by choice, summer school and and English-speaking courier jobs for school tour parties.
The following year I did none of the optional jobs and enjoyed myself greatly.
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