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spiral78
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| Every batch of CVs that I have ever seen has dozens of US lawyers who want to bteach English, or have already moved from the practice of law to TEFLing |
I had a couple of what looked on the surface to be ex-high-powered lawyers and a couple of ex-investment bankers in our latest round of CVs (not in the ME).
I nixed them all out of hand; we need someone who is both able and willing to teach the joys of the use of the third conditional to describe the limitations of one's research if needed.
All these guys bring to the table is really their stories of past glory and knowledge from a different sphere. They can be pretty popular with students ('cause they often tell exciting stories of the most recent economic crash or international crisis), but less effective than needed.
Ours is a rather humbler, nuts-and-bolts job in many ways. Focusing on giving students the tools to clearly express THEIR brilliance (or lack thereof) is rather distinct from parading one's own brilliance. |
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rollingk
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| This isn't entirely clear, but I believe if the MA is relevant, the BA need not be. Most Saudi jobs do not require an MA. Of course it probably depends on which clerk handles the paperwork in the embassy... |
Of course this makes sense. However, the embassy in the US wacked out by asking me to present a BA English for authentication when they had already been supplied with an authenticated MA TESL. Eventually someone there blinked, had an epiphany and issued the visa.
Amazingly, some PYPs are asking for applications from only those with relevant Master's "at this time". I can't foresee "this time" lasting long. |
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sicklyman
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| You will aslo get the ones who confess to having neither qualifiucations nor experience |
or ones applying from Kentucky who state that they speak "English with no accent."  |
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scot47
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| And those who have had 10 employers in a period of 6 years. |
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CANDLES
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Scot47 & et al...
In UK soldiers coming back are being encouraged to become Teachers, because apparently they have 'discipline' and 'order', in them. OOPS!!! how about the relevant Teaching Degrees or experience in Teaching? So it's boiling to the same thing with ex lawyers becoming ESL teachers...
You do and go where the jobs are- irrelevant of whether you have the experience or not, as found in SOME ESL teachers who haven't a clue!
As for Pakistanis and Filipinos teachers & etc.... why Not! I thought English was a Universal language! |
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sicklyman
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought English was a Universal language! |
Global I'll grant you, but there's scant evidence that it's universal. |
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johnslat
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Dear sicklyman,
I don't know about that. In all the movies I've seen, all the aliens speak English, most of them quite well  .
Regards,
John |
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nomad soul
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Dear sicklyman,
I don't know about that. In all the movies I've seen, all the aliens speak English, most of them quite well |
And some with an impeccable British accent!  |
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Linguist
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| As for Pakistanis and Filipinos teachers & etc.... why Not! I thought English was a Universal language! |
Based on my experience here, the best teachers are often non-native speakers. This is because they are motivated, have very good meta-linguistic knowledge of the language, are good role models for their students, have compassion for their students, have good teaching skills,...
There are very good teachers among native speakers too, but this is becoming a rare specimen now at the PYP level.
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Wilsonthefarmer
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I wonder if scot was a rare specimen at the PYP level in the Magic Kingdom!  |
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johnslat
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Dear Wilsonthefarmer,
Scot47 is a rare specimen wherever he may be - something those who are churlish enough consider a great blessing. 
Regards,
John |
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D. Merit
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Scot47 & et al...
In UK soldiers coming back are being encouraged to become Teachers, because apparently they have 'discipline' and 'order', in them. OOPS!!! how about the relevant Teaching Degrees or experience in Teaching? |
They're being encouraged to get trained up as teachers, Candles. They're not just marching into a classroom off the parade ground.
I find the idea flawed myself, but it seems only fair to point that out. |
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plumpy nut
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| As for Pakistanis and Filipinos teachers & etc.... why Not! I thought English was a Universal language! |
Based on my experience here, the best teachers are often non-native speakers. This is because they are motivated, have very good meta-linguistic knowledge of the language, are good role models for their students, have compassion for their students, have good teaching skills,...
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I agree. They have a speaking style that other arabs can relate too. They can use direct explanation for clarifying grammar and vocabulary (this alone is very important for may different types of learners). |
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rollingk
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| As for Pakistanis and Filipinos teachers & etc.... why Not! I thought English was a Universal language! |
Based on my experience here, the best teachers are often non-native speakers. This is because they are motivated, have very good meta-linguistic knowledge of the language, are good role models for their students, have compassion for their students, have good teaching skills,...
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I agree. They have a speaking style that other arabs can relate too. They can use direct explanation for clarifying grammar and vocabulary (this alone is very important for may different types of learners). |
Arabs aren't particularly noted for cognitive language learning skill so I wonder that they would find this kind of metalanguage or metalinguistic explanation useful.
As for speaking style, unless language learners are in preparation for operating only within this insular "style", their pragmatic knowledge of the language will suffer as a result of being taught in this manner. |
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