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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my hometown the most popular Irish pub is called Paddy's Bar.
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GeminiTiger



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saint Paddy's Day.

What is a Paddy anyways?
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy is a common nickname for Irish persons in general and in particular for individuals named Patrick.
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it'snotmyfault



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to Ireland and shout "hey Paddy" see what kind of reaction you get.
Wales...hey Taffy.
Scotland...hey Jock.

The results would be interesting!!
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it'snotmyfault wrote:
Go to Ireland and shout "hey Paddy" see what kind of reaction you get.
Wales...hey Taffy.
Scotland...hey Jock.

The results would be interesting!!



....or go to chinatown and yell..."LAOWAI, HALLOOOOOOOOOOO !!!"
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artemisia



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it'snotmyfault wrote:
Go to Ireland and shout "hey Paddy" see what kind of reaction you get.
Wales...hey Taffy.
Scotland...hey Jock.

The results would be interesting!!

Probably a knee-capping. Many Irish people consider being referred to as a "paddy' insulting. "Mick", on the other hand, is much the same as saying "Yank".
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm reliably informed that any of the above apellations will be seriously unacceptable to the Irish. Laughing
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artemisia



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My informants put me wrong then!! Well, maybe some Americans equally find "Yank" to be unacceptable.

In any case, there's a rather large distinction between being from a particular ethnic group and calling yourself something, and having someone else call you by that name.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-hayes-and-linguistics-expert-break-down-rachel-jeantels-articulate-use-of-black-english/

The linguistics of this case have been interesting in themselves, but there are also examples of those little linguistic items that are ok from the 'in' group, and not from outsiders.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
I'm reliably informed that any of the above apellations will be seriously unacceptable to the Irish. Laughing


Quick update Wikipedia!
Multiple well known and historic personages with given name (appellation) 'Patrick' were referred to as 'Paddy', with no pejorative connotations
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, yes, but I assume by Irish compatriots. Those of us who aren't fortunate enough to have been born on the emerald isles perhaps ought not push our luck...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

santi84 wrote:
Still good news for the 7.5 million francophones born in Canada.


Got it in one.

Nothing to do with colour.

If one went to Hoerskool Verwoerd and Stellenbosch university with all their education in Afrikaans, then their native language obviously isn't English.

If I am right - Quebecois have to prove that their education has been done in the medium of English to get a work visa to teach English in the country that cannot be named. Crying or Very sad

I know of a lot of Afrikaans speaking South Africans who have been unceremoniously dumped by a PYP in Saudi Arabia because their English isn't good enough.

And a trip to South Africa uncovers that English isn't widely spoken in a lot of places - I don't think they should have their status preserved on this count when the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, Bahamas,
Jamaica, St Kitts and Nevis etc are denied 'native speaker' status.
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robbie_davies



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Ah, yes, but I assume by Irish compatriots. Those of us who aren't fortunate enough to have been born on the emerald isles perhaps ought not push our luck...


Nothing to do with it.

If you don't know the person in question - then don't use 'Paddy' It would be like calling an Indian person 'Gupta' because the speaker will be probably be taking the piss with a stupid accent.

However, Paddy is still a common in Ireland (and in Irish areas of England like the North West) for people called Patrick
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Earthworm_Jimbo



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm from Ireland, looking for work in Jieyang/Shantou area and I have been turned down several jobs now because Ireland is no longer recognised as a native English-speaking country.

I really am finding it impossible to believe that a state body would have the ignorance not to know that in Ireland we speak English. This is extremely frustrating and upsetting, as I am well qualified and I hoped to work here as my fiancee just moved here.

Any of my fellow Irish having the same problem??
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colonel



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Earthworm_Jimbo wrote:
I'm from Ireland, looking for work in Jieyang/Shantou area and I have been turned down several jobs now because Ireland is no longer recognised as a native English-speaking country.

I really am finding it impossible to believe that a state body would have the ignorance not to know that in Ireland we speak English. This is extremely frustrating and upsetting, as I am well qualified and I hoped to work here as my fiancee just moved here.

Any of my fellow Irish having the same problem??


Jimbo, your written English needs a little 'honing'.

Other than that casual observation, I can put you in touch with my 'boss' who'll offer you a job, in a uni, provided that you have the necessary 'bits of paper'.

I'm a son of Paddy so don't take offence.
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