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rogerwilco
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| tangal wrote: |
What you charge and how much you make (how much work you get) can be two different things.
People will tell you they charge 250 and up per hour for privates and/or part-time teaching but in reality the average in China is probably 150-200 no matter where you live.
People will tell you lots of things here and much of it is very misleading.
A reasonable part-time salary in China is 150 RMB per hour. People will tell you otherwise, but this is roughly the same going rate as part-time TESOL instructors with masters degrees back home in the USA.
Of course it's all relative and there are exceptions, but if you're making 150-200 RMB per hour teaching part-time in China you're doing quite well for a teacher. |
Five years ago in Anhui I did privates on Saturdays for 200 an hour.
When I later moved to Jiangsu I asked for, and received, 250 an hour.
The woman arranging my private classes charges the students at least 100 per hour. If there are 4 students in the class, then why should she earn more per hour on my classes than me ?
It is interesting to me how one person can claim to know something about all of us, and about all of China. |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| rogerwilco wrote: |
It is interesting to me how one person can claim to know something about all of us, and about all of China. |
Me and Sergeant Hans Schultz share some things - We Know Nothing.... |
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Voyeur
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I'm curious about comments referring to having someone else arrange their privates for you. How did that happen? Is there somewhere you can go where people will arrange privates for you (for their cut, of course).
I'm new and looking to get part-time work. I'd settle for a lot less than 250 an hour if it meant block hours, or getting help setting up a schedule. My main job is only 14 hours a week for 7,500. |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| Voyeur wrote: |
I'm curious about comments referring to having someone else arrange their privates for you. How did that happen? Is there somewhere you can go where people will arrange privates for you (for their cut, of course).
I'm new and looking to get part-time work. I'd settle for a lot less than 250 an hour if it meant block hours, or getting help setting up a schedule. My main job is only 14 hours a week for 7,500. |
Works like this: A "friend" maybe Chinese maybe laowai says to you " Hey want to do some part-time work, The pay is xxx an hour." The "friend" is charging the client maybe xxx +40y an hour and keeps the difference. They pay you of course.
So you get the work and they get payed also. A Brit friend did this to me. I got paid 180an hour - he paid me- and he got 200y an hour from the client. He was upfront with me about this - no lies no back-door dealing.
It's a good deal if you have no contacts in the city or are too lazy to go out and find your own work. |
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Voyeur
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| Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks. That is what I thought it was. I was hoping for something more institutional that I could search online and apply for. I have no contacts, and would like to get up and running supplementing my income immediately. I have no idea how to do it yet. I realize that the higher paying privates etc. come in time, but for now I'd settle for something lower-end that brings in some cash. |
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MisterButtkins
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| Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Anything less than 200 an hour is unacceptable. It doesn't matter where you are, there are Chinese people who can pay it. You really think the government guys buying their mistresses cars can't afford 200 an hour for their kid? Of course they can. I live in a complete backwater and you can make 200 an hour here.
I would take less than 200 (maybe 150 at the very lowest) if the classes were close by and I was doing at least two hours together, but I would still ask for 200. |
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El Macho
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| Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:07 am Post subject: |
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Depends on the city, but since you've got experience and an MA I wouldn't work for less than 300/hour.
Depending on your students and what you're teaching, more than 300 certainly isn't out of the question.
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canrun30
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| A follow-up question (and a stupid one, I'm sure). One P/T school wants to send me to a company 40+ minutes away. They will provide a car, but should I ask for payment for travel time as well? Is that standard? If so, how much? 100% of my hourly salary? Cheers. |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I travel to one of my voice jobs. They provide transportation. I don't charge. |
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kungfuman
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| canrun30 wrote: |
| A follow-up question (and a stupid one, I'm sure). One P/T school wants to send me to a company 40+ minutes away. They will provide a car, but should I ask for payment for travel time as well? Is that standard? If so, how much? 100% of my hourly salary? Cheers. |
My rule - you pay for my time. If the school screws up and I sit there for 30 minutes with no students I expect to be paid for my time. Last 2 times I needed to travel more than local I was paid travel time - at 100% of the regular rate.
My current part time job books me in blocks of 2 hours. During that time I do what they ask me HOWEVER there are times when I only do 30 minutes of work cause the clients failed to show. I still get paid for the whole 2 hours. |
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muffintop
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| Agree with the above. I bake travel time into my fees if it's out of the way for me.....and never ever agree to a rate before knowing how long travel time actually is. |
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JoeKing
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| Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| rogerwilco wrote: |
| tangal wrote: |
What you charge and how much you make (how much work you get) can be two different things.
Of course it's all relative and there are exceptions, but if you're making 150-200 RMB per hour teaching part-time in China you're doing quite well for a teacher. |
It is interesting to me how one person can claim to know something about all of us, and about all of China. |
Roger, I think you are missing his main point.
| Voyeur wrote: |
| I'm curious about comments referring to having someone else arrange their privates for you. How did that happen? |
To me a good contact is key. I struck up a friendship with a woman who taught out of her home in the ROK and she fed me so many privates I could not handle them all, and so I passed a lot of them on to my western friends, which they greatly appreciated. I was getting the equivalent of 250, but it was all because of her.
The thing is I did not realize how lucky I was to meet her until after I moved to another city for my second year. I thought it was always going to be that easy, but I never did a single private again until I moved back to her town - and then the gravy train rolled again.
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| Agree with the above. I bake travel time into my fees if it's out of the way for me.....and never ever agree to a rate before knowing how long travel time actually is. |
That's the best way to do it IMHO. |
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JoeKing
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Which reminds me of a story the contact I mentioned above told me which kind of ties into the "how much work you get" aspect.
A friend of hers arranged a meeting with a western teacher who was new to town and was looking to teach privates, so the three of them met at a downtown coffee shop.
She told me he was so brash that practically the first thing out of his mouth was that he would not settle for anything less than 300 an hour. She replied "well, I only pay 250 an hour, so I guess I can not use you", and since in her mind the negotiation was over she started to talk to her friend about completely different topics - with him sitting there dumbfounded.
Her friend told her later that he said she was rude, and that was no way to negotiate.
Man, if he only knew the amount of work she could have given him. |
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