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jmatt
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| budgie wrote: |
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You know, I mean, *beep*---if you can't get hired by ECC or AEON, maybe you should look for some other way to come to Japan, if you're dead set to do so. They'll pretty much hire anyone, so if you can't get on with them at the start, you are not going to have an easy time of it in Japan if your goal is to teach, regardless of whatever anyone else here says.
Find something else to do. |
Thanks for the unasked and unneeded dose of negativity.
For the record, I most likely failed the ECC interview because I gave a poor presentation. I assume I failed the AEON one because I didn't understand the written test. My inability to do well in an interview environment has nothing to do with my ability to teach.
Neither company will "pretty much hire anyone." If that was the case, then they wouldn't be stretched for teachers so often.
If you don't have something productive or helpful to say, then perhaps it would be best if you didn't speak at all. |
I agree, these schools are actually quite picky. They prefer under thirty (but do hire people older); they shun experience (they want you to learn to 'tech' their way. They prize presentation. In the case of Aeon a big part of the job once you get there is to recommend further purchase of their materials to what they call 'customers' (not 'students') - so they are looking for people with salesmanship skills.
It's not more than a teaching job at the big schools - it's actually considerably less, or at least altogether different.
If you can get to Japan and look around there are better, smaller schools that might appreciate you more for what you can bring to the table, than what they can mold you into. |
No, they aren't. I know someone in charge of hiring at one of the so-called "picky" schools and he laments that they have a hard time getting anyone decent----and he's an easy touch!
That is, if you have any degree of social skills and don't look like the monster from Goonies.
I know it hurts to get turned down when looking for work, but if you can't get hired by a major eikaiwa, even now, maybe you should reassess and apply elsewhere.
Try Korea. |
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Solar Strength
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Bangkok, Thailand
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| Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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No, they aren't. I know someone in charge of hiring at one of the so-called "picky" schools and he laments that they have a hard time getting anyone decent----and he's an easy touch!
That is, if you have any degree of social skills and don't look like the monster from Goonies.
I know it hurts to get turned down when looking for work, but if you can't get hired by a major eikaiwa, even now, maybe you should reassess and apply elsewhere.
Try Korea. |
Yes, they are.
Don't kid yourself, the guy that "laments that they have a hard time getting anyone decent" is a corporate suckhole. Not a qualified and trained TEFL teacher.
Positions, even at the big eikaiwa, are so few and far between now that a lot of good people get turned down. There are more people applying than there are jobs open.
Nice stab at those teaching in Korea. |
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Rooster.
Joined: 13 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| Solar Strength wrote: |
| jmatt wrote: |
No, they aren't. I know someone in charge of hiring at one of the so-called "picky" schools and he laments that they have a hard time getting anyone decent----and he's an easy touch!
That is, if you have any degree of social skills and don't look like the monster from Goonies.
I know it hurts to get turned down when looking for work, but if you can't get hired by a major eikaiwa, even now, maybe you should reassess and apply elsewhere.
Try Korea. |
Yes, they are.
Don't kid yourself, the guy that "laments that they have a hard time getting anyone decent" is a corporate suckhole. Not a qualified and trained TEFL teacher.
Positions, even at the big eikaiwa, are so few and far between now that a lot of good people get turned down. There are more people applying than there are jobs open.
Nice stab at those teaching in Korea. |
Yeah, schools really can be picky. They think too highly of themselves and expect an applicant to put it more work and time than their company is worth. |
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teacheratlarge
Joined: 17 Nov 2011
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| budgie wrote: |
| JamesBE wrote: |
| jmatt wrote: |
You know, I mean, *beep*---if you can't get hired by ECC or AEON, maybe you should look for some other way to come to Japan, if you're dead set to do so. They'll pretty much hire anyone, so if you can't get on with them at the start, you are not going to have an easy time of it in Japan if your goal is to teach, regardless of whatever anyone else here says.
Find something else to do. |
Thanks for the unasked and unneeded dose of negativity.
For the record, I most likely failed the ECC interview because I gave a poor presentation. I assume I failed the AEON one because I didn't understand the written test. My inability to do well in an interview environment has nothing to do with my ability to teach.
Neither company will "pretty much hire anyone." If that was the case, then they wouldn't be stretched for teachers so often.
If you don't have something productive or helpful to say, then perhaps it would be best if you didn't speak at all. |
I agree, these schools are actually quite picky. They prefer under thirty (but do hire people older); they shun experience (they want you to learn to 'tech' their way. They prize presentation. In the case of Aeon a big part of the job once you get there is to recommend further purchase of their materials to what they call 'customers' (not 'students') - so they are looking for people with salesmanship skills.
It's not more than a teaching job at the big schools - it's actually considerably less, or at least altogether different.
If you can get to Japan and look around there are better, smaller schools that might appreciate you more for what you can bring to the table, than what they can mold you into. |
I agree, they can be much choosier now, and not for necessarily good reasons. |
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FloridaTEFL
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| Not to change the subject too dramatically, but do companies like ECC and AEON also require employees to wear black suits any time you're on the premises? |
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Solar Strength
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Location: Bangkok, Thailand
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| Not to change the subject too dramatically, but do companies like ECC and AEON also require employees to wear black suits any time you're on the premises? |
I thought that was GABA. I used to see them standing outside having a smoke break at the old Shinjuku higashi guchi "studio"all wearing their black suits. Looked really weird. |
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kah5217
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| Well, the AEON tissue men at Tsuchiura station today were decked out like the MIB. Of course, that could have been just to impress the hanabi goers. |
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Solar Strength
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Bangkok, Thailand
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:48 am Post subject: |
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You know, I mean, *beep*---if you can't get hired by ECC or AEON, maybe you should look for some other way to come to Japan, if you're dead set to do so. They'll pretty much hire anyone, so if you can't get on with them at the start, you are not going to have an easy time of it in Japan if your goal is to teach, regardless of whatever anyone else here says.
Find something else to do. |
Ah, I remember you now.
Disagree 100% with you here. ECC, Berlitz, even Gaba are extremely picky about who they hire these days. The openings are limited and they aren't looking for qualified people, either.
"They pretty much hire anyone" - False. Unless you were referring to the 1990s early 2000s, yeah, that would have been more likely back then. The old joke when I was teaching in Japan was: If you breathing, have a heart beat, then you're hired!
Sadly, those days are long gone and likely not to return.
I guess your attitude changed once you got into teaching at universities. Why are you part-time, then, if it's so easy?
Mind you, you're not referring to university teaching positions, so I guess it's not fair of me to ask that. Those positions are even harder to get.
Still, things have become a lot more difficult in the last few years - probably more like the last 6 or 7 years, or since the big Nova crash. |
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jmatt
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Solar Strength wrote: |
| jmatt wrote: |
You know, I mean, *beep*---if you can't get hired by ECC or AEON, maybe you should look for some other way to come to Japan, if you're dead set to do so. They'll pretty much hire anyone, so if you can't get on with them at the start, you are not going to have an easy time of it in Japan if your goal is to teach, regardless of whatever anyone else here says.
Find something else to do. |
Ah, I remember you now.
Disagree 100% with you here. ECC, Berlitz, even Gaba are extremely picky about who they hire these days. The openings are limited and they aren't looking for qualified people, either.
"They pretty much hire anyone" - False. Unless you were referring to the 1990s early 2000s, yeah, that would have been more likely back then. The old joke when I was teaching in Japan was: If you breathing, have a heart beat, then you're hired!
Sadly, those days are long gone and likely not to return.
I guess your attitude changed once you got into teaching at universities. Why are you part-time, then, if it's so easy?
Mind you, you're not referring to university teaching positions, so I guess it's not fair of me to ask that. Those positions are even harder to get.
Still, things have become a lot more difficult in the last few years - probably more like the last 6 or 7 years, or since the big Nova crash. |
I don't mean to give you a hard time---but, for *beep*'s sake, you aren't even here! I know it must suck if you want to be in Japan and can't get anyone to sponsor your visa, but it gets tiresome seeing your constant posts about there being no work in Japan. The good jobs of yesteryear are gone, that's true. And the easy-to-get full time uni jobs are as well.
However, that's not to say there's nothing here. There's lots of work, it's just a different scene now. I know loads of people teaching here and everyone is busy as hell. A guy I work with was just saying today that one of the companies he works for has been scrambling to get people--and this is for pretty well-paying company jobs.
I guess the thing is though---to get anything decent you have to have a visa, and since you don't, well then, there you go. I'm sure it is much more difficult than 10 years ago. |
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Solar Strength
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Bangkok, Thailand
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't mean to give you a hard time---but, for *beep*'s sake, you aren't even here! I know it must suck if you want to be in Japan and can't get anyone to sponsor your visa, but it gets tiresome seeing your constant posts about there being no work in Japan. |
So you can speak as someone already in Japan, either with a work visa or spouse visa. Thus the judgemental tone.
Second, this needs clarification:
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| There's lots of work, it's just a different scene now. I know loads of people teaching here and everyone is busy as hell. A guy I work with was just saying today that one of the companies he works for has been scrambling to get people--and this is for pretty well-paying company jobs. |
I am going to guess that "I know loads of people teaching here and everyone is busy as hell. A guy I work with was just saying today..." is in reference to those gaijin who already hold work permits and are working part-time. If so, then that makes sense.
Do you know what empathy is? You've totally forgotten where you've come from. You're in. You have a series of part-time jobs. You have a work permit. You have an apartment. You might even have a local wife and spouse visa or permanent residency!
Your unique situation is not applicable to people looking for TEFL work from outside Japan and posting here. You see things from a completely different angle. |
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