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vikeologist



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might be difficult for a teacher to learn to pronounce 100 or so Chinese names correctly, (because it's not just the phonemes, but also the tones), but if a student wanted to be called by their Chinese name, I'd certainly oblige. They tend to conform with the majority who choose to have English names.

The thing about names is that Chinese people tend to have a far wider range of names for themselves than we do. Probably just about everybody in our lives calls us by our first name, but it seems like most Chinese people go by 4 or 5 different names, and they're quite comfortable with that.

Most of my students will go into International business of some kind, and having a normal English name will be part of establishing a good business relationship, but names are important, so I'm happy to go along with whatever the students want to be called, (though obviously I give them some strong advice if their chosen name is grossly inappropriate).
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of the thousands of students I've taught (all ages, all levels) I've NEVER encountered anyone who was not amenable to an English name; not the slightest reluctance. Most of them enjoy choosing a name (or having me give some suggestions for a handle).
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zactherat



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikeologist wrote:
It might be difficult for a teacher to learn to pronounce 100 or so Chinese names correctly


In my (probably unpopular, but humble nevertheless) opinion, anyone that is unable or unwilling to learn 100 new words has no business teaching/preaching a foreign language.

johnpartee wrote:
Most of them enjoy choosing a name


I think it's fun and probably also somewhat disinhibiting, which is obviously a great catalyst to language learning. But I don't think that means it should be mandated.
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isitts



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johntpartee wrote:
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I see the locals in China like to troll


That occurred to me, but it might be a beginner (despite the statement to the contrary) or a non-native speaker (the grammatical errors and stilted syntax).


I would have second guessed it myself if I hadn't seen this kind of post before. But I'm quite sure. It isn't just the grammar. There's a lack of congruence in the post and the nature of the complaints are clique and seem to be poking fun at newbie teachers more than legitimately asking for help.
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think that means it should be mandated


Maybe not, but I do require it ("We must all have English names"). I tell them I don't speak Chinese, I can't say their names correctly (even though I can). I also tell them I'm not here to learn Chinese, I'm here to teach English. Smile
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Banner41



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I studied French in H.S they gave us French names.....when I studied Spanish in College they gave us Hispanic names.....Not once did I feel like my cultural identity was being hijacked. It's an English class so......
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choudoufu



Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zactherat wrote:
vikeologist wrote:
It might be difficult for a teacher to learn to pronounce 100 or so Chinese names correctly


In my (probably unpopular, but humble nevertheless) opinion, anyone that is unable or unwilling to learn 100 new words has no business teaching/preaching a foreign language.


guilty!! i can't memorize 100 chinese names. jinkies, i'd have trouble
memorizing 25. i can however teach grammar in chinese. it's weird.

i have trouble remembering english names also, just not quite as much.
how am i supposed to remember which of the 12 non-participating miss
huangs this here paper belongs to?
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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guilty!! i can't memorize 100 chinese names


Same here. Guess we'd better chuck it all, choudoufu.
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teachingld2004



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:25 pm    Post subject: first day... Reply with quote

Well,

Last edited by teachingld2004 on Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:28 pm; edited 1 time in total
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teachingld2004



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:27 pm    Post subject: first day... Reply with quote

Well, day 2 was better then day one.

Lets make this clear. I love teaching and do try my best.

Things is, I have to give them grades.

I don't know about all other universities, but mine only give oral english to the first and second year students.

What I did find out yesterday was that these students did not "make it" into a regular university. These students do not get a degree, just a certificate. I was told that most o them will be primary school teachers.

This school is part of my university. it is a teachers college. I do not understand this system, but i will "go with the flow". So I will have to get a different mind set.

Using their books are not possible, but there are some good lessons in there. I will rewrite them and make them more simple. I only have 8 hours per week, and do not have to be in the school any other times. So I certainly can easily spend the time to rewrite lessons.

I had them put their names in Pinyin on my seating chart, and told them if they had an English name they can write it in also. I did not check the names until I got home. Most of them are fine, but I do have to tell them to change "truck", and "P u s s y". And if anyone can help me out and explain why "P u s s y" is not an acceptable name, please help me out on that one
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with "*beep*" (no pun intended). Only if you make it a problem. Nothing wrong with "Truck", either. Let them have the names they want. I've seen some odd ones, e.g., Demon, Pillow, Ta-ta.

As an aside, I was showing a class the phonetic alphabet (alpha, bravo, charlie........) and everytime I said "lima" there were giggles. I finally asked what it meant in Chinese. It means to have sex with one's mother.

Bottom line, it's what the listener wants to read into it.

Edit: I guess there is something wrong with it, OP, the filter bleeped it.
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Javelin of Radiance



Joined: 01 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

teachingld2004 wrote:
I had them put their names in Pinyin on my seating chart, and told them if they had an English name they can write it in also.

Congrats. This will definitely help you.

teachingld2004 wrote:
Most of them are fine, but I do have to tell them to change "truck", and "P u s s y". And if anyone can help me out and explain why "P u s s y" is not an acceptable name, please help me out on that one

You need help in understanding why truck and Pu $ y are unacceptable English names?
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choudoufu



Joined: 25 May 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hotel management majors chose names today.

most were nice, standard names (they will eventually be
working with fur'ners), although many chose names they
were unable to pronounce.

one boy chose lee. fine, but his last name is li.
"hi, my name is LiLi." okay.....

another boy wants to be elvis, yet never heard of the king.
i'll play a youtube clip before listening class. suppose it'll
be okay, assuming he works as a bellhop and gets to
wear a sequin jumpsuit.

one girl chose echo. sounds more like a japanese anime
character. the bunnymen were japanese, right?
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santi84



Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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Location: under da sea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always used Chinese names but I think I am an exception.

In regards to ridiculous or offensive names, I just use the "it is not a name for a person/unnatural" card and then move on. Some students like to get away with it as a joke, I'm sure by now, the student knows what a "truck" is and knows that it is not a name for a person.

Then again......... Shocked
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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one girl chose echo


I've had several women choose Echo. It was also one of Bob Dylan's girlfriends name (Dylan mentions her in Scorsese's "Don't Look Back" documentary).
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