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Shine28
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| It's my understanding that PNU gives each teacher a detailed lesson plan that they can use, and that it's so easy a robot could do it. I wouldn't be worried at all. |
No, that's not the case. We do receive a basic outline for the week and some materials for lexis/grammar etc, but we plan our own lessons. |
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myohmy
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, that depends on what level you are teaching. Level 3 teachers have detailed lesson plans available to use if we wish. I believe that levels 4 and 5 have them also. Last year, all the levels had lesson plans. Things are in a bit of a disarray this year with the new "paperless" policy that was implemented with no planning whatsoever and no thought to the consequences for students and teachers. |
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| myohmy wrote: |
| Actually, that depends on what level you are teaching. Level 3 teachers have detailed lesson plans available to use if we wish. I believe that levels 4 and 5 have them also. Last year, all the levels had lesson plans. Things are in a bit of a disarray this year with the new "paperless" policy that was implemented with no planning whatsoever and no thought to the consequences for students and teachers. |
Could you explain why a paperless policy would = no thought to consequences and teachers? I would think you would carry on doing what you did before, except now everything is on the computer instead of printed on paper. Perhaps it is the transition that seems difficult...like all things new...people need time to adjust. I think paperless policies are going to be the norm in the future. I don't see what the problem is...  |
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Shine28
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| Cmp45...do you work there, just out of interest? |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| cmp45 wrote: |
| Could you explain why a paperless policy would = no thought to consequences and teachers? |
I interpreted the comment to mean that it was implemented WITH no input with those who would have to use it and no planning. That is a common issue in Gulf education... and the decisions seem to usually be made by those who haven't a clue what goes on a classroom as they've never taught. This is a legitimate gripe IMHO. Like when some drone in a Ministry of Higher Education decides that if we add an hour a day to each class, the students can all learn English in one year instead of two.
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| I think paperless policies are going to be the norm in the future. I don't see what the problem is... |
I remember how people said back in the 70s when computers appeared in the accounting departments that within a couple years we would be in "paperless offices." The reality was that the amount of paper used (and thus stored) exploded by about 4 times what was used with a manual paper based bookkeeping system. That has changed little in the last 40 years. What has changed is that you now only need to hire a couple people rather than 15 to do the same jobs... and produce 4 times that paper.
Lots of things in the classroom are done by computer and on laptops these days, but I wonder if taking away the paper based stuff merely opens the doors to more plagiarism and cheating. Time will tell...
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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I think the students are quite happy using technology in the classroom. Many students I have taught rarely ever brought a notebook or paper anyways. If they were able to upload their textbooks on their gadgets and do all their assignments online or within the university system I am sure they would and they would adjust a lot easier than the teachers. Plagiarism is an issue within any system. Will it increase? Time will tell.
Switching to such a policy is never an easy task. The technology has to be in the classroom and working. Teachers need to receive training workshops on its use. Moodle and I-tools are prime examples, but introducing them into the system and phasing out the books (paper) takes time. I never said it was an easy situation, but when it happens all one can do is try their best and go with the flow. The alternative is to quit and find some place that is still teaching with chalk board and paper. Those places are dwindling as high tech takes over. Swim or sink  |
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auhruh
Joined: 01 Aug 2013 Posts: 37
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| However SBC operate in fewer places so you won't be shipped to a remote location with them. |
They operate in Ar'Ar and Rafha at SBC. Pretty remote places in anyone's book... |
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Shine28
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Dear All,
Just to clarify - the transition is not the issue. Resistance or unwillingness to embrace the change is not the issue. Technology is not the issue. The situation we have been presented with is to be told of the intention of becoming paperless at some vague point in the future.. with no ipads or tablets actually being used at present and many of the classrooms having no working equipment such as an OHP. But because of this intention to become paperless, we are not at present allowed to print out anything to assist us in our teaching. Indeed, I was told to get friendly with those students who have a printer at home then ask them for favours - can you believe that? So no technology, no printed materials, no books. We are in limbo and that is what the previous poster was referring to when they said the transition was announced without thought for the teachers. I count myself one of the lucky ones to at least have a whiteboard. I am speaking from a position of knowing this situation accounts for some of the levels. .. perhaps other levels are allowed things like paper. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Yes shine28, I suspected that paperless didn't so much mean getting rid of texts, but getting rid of the copy machines and worksheets and and. And it sounds like your lack of a decent technology infrastructure would just leave all the teachers hanging.
One of the last places that I taught in the ME had instituted a system where the students had to go to a particular office on campus and pay to have their worksheets and extra materials printed. It took a bit of organization on the part of the teachers to make sure that the originals were there on time, but it worked quite well once the students understood the system and realized that the responsibility was theirs. (it was also a place that allowed the teachers to fail students when they didn't perform)
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myohmy
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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| Shine28 wrote: |
| Cmp45...do you work there, just out of interest? |
No, of course she doesn't. That kind of arrogance and rolly-eyed condescension is the providence of the uninformed. Would love to watch her swim, or rather flounder, at PNU. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| myohmy wrote: |
| Shine28 wrote: |
| Cmp45...do you work there, just out of interest? |
No, of course she doesn't. That kind of arrogance and rolly-eyed condescension is the providence of the uninformed. Would love to watch her swim, or rather flounder, at PNU. |
FYI: Cmp45 is a male and has been teaching in the Kingdom for 10+ years. He has obviously experienced a changing educational system over those years and apparently has adjusted just fine. Anyway, I certainly didn't see any arrogance in his post; he was simply pointing out that teaching in KSA (or anywhere, for that matter) involves some adapting, flexibilty, and most of all patience. |
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myohmy
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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I see nothing obvious or apparent from CMPs comments other than he regards the forum as some kind of p***ing contest as do so many others. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| myohmy wrote: |
| I see nothing obvious or apparent from CMPs comments other than he regards the forum as some kind of p***ing contest. |
Pot calling the kettle black?
I agree with NS... the misinterpretation problem is yours.
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| myohmy wrote: |
| I see nothing obvious or apparent from CMPs comments other than he regards the forum as some kind of p***ing contest as do so many others. |
I think myohmy needs a snickers bar!  |
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myohmy
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, perhaps I do! A nice vacation has mellowed me a bit and I realize the stress made me lash out, so I apologize for taking your remarks too personally. This is my second year at PNU, and believe me things are much worse than last year due to the new ill-conceived and poorly implemented "paperless" policy and due to the fact that there really isn't enough classroom space for PYP at the new campus, huge as it is. I have over 40 students in my classes, no whiteboard and an OHP that doesn't work properly. The students are expected to do a lot of work online, yet they don't have access to the internet on campus unless they have their own plan, which many don't. One student told me that she was "pissed off" because not everyone can afford internet at home (it's true that the lower level students here are not as well off as the higher level ones and have not had the same opportunities for education). Some of the leadership here (and I'm not just referring to the Saudis) are incompetent micro-managers. I think I am a fairly resilient and tolerant person. Last year I couldn't understand where the whiners were coming from, but now I totally get how people could be driven to do a "runner". In fact, I anticipate that many will not return after the break. The one good thing about this year is that my students are amazing - bright, beautiful, respectful and motivated. At first I thought it was just a honeymoon phase, but I've been with them for over a month now and they continue to delight me. If it weren't for them, I would be so out of here. |
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