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mitsui
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1562 Location: Kawasaki
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Just a doctorate is not enough. Teachers are judged by the amount of their publications and presentations. Some places judge service to teaching organizations too.
I published a few articles in a high school journal but I remembered it was rejected and not considered good enough by a university in Hyogo.
In fact it was not even considered research, even though it was peer reviewed.
Another teacher in Tokyo I know was told that a publication in a Taiwanese journal was not as good as one in a Japanese one. As long as it was peer reviewed, what is the problem? Simple prejudice.
So there is a hierarchy of publications. |
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Solar Strength
Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 557 Location: Bangkok, Thailand
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Mitsui,
Yeah, I see what you mean about M.A. degrees and not having the relevant training for research since a lot of M.A. degrees focus on teaching as opposed to research. Many of the master's TESOL programs don't have much of a research or thesis component - or none at all.
I guess your Canadian friend, if he doesn't land a new contract position in Japan, can move on to China or Korea, etc. and have a good shot at a university position there. But those jobs are mostly limited contracts also, I think. Kind of blows me away that someone with a doctorate, I assume a relevant doctorate, is bouncing around from contract to contract.
But most of the jobs I see posted (on the English sites) only ask for a M.A., so maybe a Ph.D is overkill for getting EFL positions at Japanese universities. Maybe the universities by in large don't want to hire doctorates for limited / non-renewable contract positions?
Anyways, it sounds like a game of musical chairs!
Interesting comment about Japanese looking down on peer reviewed articles from Taiwan or other countries. So If I wrote something in Thailand in a peer reviewed TESOL or university journal here, the Japanese profs. would look down on it and rank it lower than a peer reviewed article written in Japan?
That's not good! I'm' surprised to hear that. |
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rtm
Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 1003 Location: US
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| Solar Strength wrote: |
| Kind of blows me away that someone with a doctorate, I assume a relevant doctorate, is bouncing around from contract to contract. |
Again, kind of like in the US or UK. There are many, many people with doctorates in the US who have to string together part-time adjunct positions, or bounce around between visiting positions (i.e., 1 or 2 year fixed-term, with no possibility of extending the contract).
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| But most of the jobs I see posted (on the English sites) only ask for a M.A., so maybe a Ph.D is overkill for getting EFL positions at Japanese universities. |
I don't think it's overkill for a position as a professor, which requires research output. For a position as a language instructor (with no research component), then yes, it is probably overkill. |
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mitsui
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1562 Location: Kawasaki
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:13 am Post subject: |
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No, for example Tokyo Women`s University hired a women with a doctorate for a limited contract. It makes it easier for them, since they could reject people with MAs as an easy way to decide who gets a job.
At this point, go for journals overseas but don`t be surprised if you deal with prejuidice. I think at some places, they respect people who present overseas, and if your article can get published in the conference proceedings, such as the one in Cambodia, if they have it.
It is better to get published than not, so if it is overseas, it is a stepping stone. For me, I plan on being a high school teacher in the US in the future, but I would work at an IEP in the US.
I think the Canadian`s problem could have been that his doctorate was done by distance, as well. I do not know if that is a barrier or not. I mean, it is obviously better than a MA. But he doesn`t have enough publications. It may just be the Japanese ability. |
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HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| mitsui wrote: |
Another teacher in Tokyo I know was told that a publication in a Taiwanese journal was not as good as one in a Japanese one. As long as it was peer reviewed, what is the problem? Simple prejudice.
So there is a hierarchy of publications. |
There is a hierarchy of publications everywhere, that's why metrics like impact factor matter. Many Western universities are moving to comparing h-indexes rather than simple publication number as quick way of quantifying the hierarchy.
Given the low English levels in Japan, articles written in Japanese probably have a disproportionate impact factor in-country. Also, many Japanese universities seem to have a total disinterest in building any sort of international reputation. Combine the two and I would fully expect them to give a higher weighting to publications in Japanese journals.
The same article would be given a lower weighting by a Western university for not being in English, or published in a known Western journal. Universities are businesses, they want to maintain or build their reputation, and they primarily value the things that help them do that. It's not prejudice, it's just pragmatic. |
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BabeEdna The Leg End
Joined: 21 Oct 2013 Posts: 8 Location: Japan Civil Aviation Bureau
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:25 pm Post subject: Peace at last.... |
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Wot no glenski..??
Thankfully....!!!
Grammar n' spelling n' punctuation ...ok...???
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