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Buckeye Bob
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 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Kong wrote: |
And here you go:
This is the teacher requirement form they ask you to fill out so they can better advertise and find teachers for your school:
http://www.fileswap.com/dl/kPdkv6X88P/
And here is their contract which includes pricing information:
http://www.fileswap.com/dl/xxbiVbnn8/
Now Buck, if I believed you to have any shred of decency I would expect you to admit your wrong and apologies to Gold Star for slandering them and providing mis-information that you pulled out of your rear.
We're waiting, got it? |
Hey Kong,if I am wrong I am not above apologizing, but I cannot open the file you posted. Do you have a direct link that you can post here? Btw... I don't know of any agency that works for free if that is what you are suggesting? Also if what you posted is the contract with the foreign teacher, that would not prove anything. What we really need to see is the contract Gold Star signed with the school employer. Do you have a copy of that contract by any chance? If not maybe the guy from Gold Star can post here so I can read and apologize if necessary? |
I don't believe you, the site works fine for me, you must be using the kind of internet where it doesn't want to open things you don't want to see.
How about try turning on your VPN, and please don't pretend like you don't have on because otherwise you wouldn't be able to view all those CFTU links you keep posting.
Your inability to read is troubling and I'm starting to suspect your just playing dumb because I refuse to believe someone could be so stupid as to mis-read as much as you do.
I very stated what both documents I posted are, why would a contract between Gold Star and a teacher (which doesn't exist) include pricing information meant for a school?
You are wrong, apologize and stop pulling facts out of your rear.
Got it?
We're waiting...[/b] |
You don't have a direct link? I don't want to have to register with that software company just to read one document and then having crap popping up all over on me. None of those "free downloads" ever come without a boat load of adware built into it. This appears to be the direct link but it will not open Kong: http://www.fileswap.com/dl/xxbiVbnn8/Foreign_Teacher_Placement_Contract.pdf.html Is this the correct link?
No, my mistake that is still a fileswap file. Where did you get the contract from? You had to download it from somewhere right? |
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The_Kong
Joined: 15 Apr 2014
Posts: 349
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Buckeye Bob wrote: |
| The_Kong wrote: |
| Buckeye Bob wrote: |
| The_Kong wrote: |
And here you go:
This is the teacher requirement form they ask you to fill out so they can better advertise and find teachers for your school:
http://www.fileswap.com/dl/kPdkv6X88P/
And here is their contract which includes pricing information:
http://www.fileswap.com/dl/xxbiVbnn8/
Now Buck, if I believed you to have any shred of decency I would expect you to admit your wrong and apologies to Gold Star for slandering them and providing mis-information that you pulled out of your rear.
We're waiting, got it? |
Hey Kong,if I am wrong I am not above apologizing, but I cannot open the file you posted. Do you have a direct link that you can post here? Btw... I don't know of any agency that works for free if that is what you are suggesting? Also if what you posted is the contract with the foreign teacher, that would not prove anything. What we really need to see is the contract Gold Star signed with the school employer. Do you have a copy of that contract by any chance? If not maybe the guy from Gold Star can post here so I can read and apologize if necessary? |
I don't believe you, the site works fine for me, you must be using the kind of internet where it doesn't want to open things you don't want to see.
How about try turning on your VPN, and please don't pretend like you don't have on because otherwise you wouldn't be able to view all those CFTU links you keep posting.
Your inability to read is troubling and I'm starting to suspect your just playing dumb because I refuse to believe someone could be so stupid as to mis-read as much as you do.
I very stated what both documents I posted are, why would a contract between Gold Star and a teacher (which doesn't exist) include pricing information meant for a school?
You are wrong, apologize and stop pulling facts out of your rear.
Got it?
We're waiting...[/b] |
You don't have a direct link? I don't want to have to register with that software company just to read one document and then having crap popping up all over on me. None of those "free downloads" ever come without a boat load of adware built into it. This appears to be the direct link but it will not open Kong: http://www.fileswap.com/dl/xxbiVbnn8/Foreign_Teacher_Placement_Contract.pdf.html Is this the correct link?
No, my mistake that is still a fileswap file. Where did you get the contract from? You had to download it from somewhere right? |
Excuses excuses excuses.
http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah144/MattJohnston943/GoldStarContract_zps72035020.jpg
http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/MattJohnston943/media/GoldStarRegistration0_zpsfd09793a.jpg.html?filters[user]=141184762&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=1
http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/MattJohnston943/media/GoldStarRegistration1_zpsb15864af.jpg.html?filters[user]=141184762&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=2 |
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The_Kong
Joined: 15 Apr 2014
Posts: 349
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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And here you go:
This is the teacher requirement form they ask you to fill out so they can better advertise and find teachers for your school:
http://www.fileswap.com/dl/kPdkv6X88P/
And here is their contract which includes pricing information:
http://www.fileswap.com/dl/xxbiVbnn8/
Now Buck, if I believed you to have any shred of decency I would expect you to admit your wrong and apologies to Gold Star for slandering them and providing mis-information that you pulled out of your rear.
We're waiting, got it? |
Hey Kong, if I am wrong I am not above apologizing, but I cannot open the file you posted. Do you have a direct link that you can post here? Btw... I don't know of any agency that works for free if that is what you are suggesting? Also if what you posted is the contract with the foreign teacher, that would not prove anything. What we really need to see is the contract Gold Star signed with the school employer. Do you have a copy of that contract by any chance? If not maybe the guy from Gold Star can post here so I can read and apologize if necessary?
I would also point out that most all of the recruiters except the worst of the worst don't directly charge a fee to the teacher, but if the money was originally earmarked to be paid to the teacher as part of his salary (had the teacher applied directly) the teacher is still indirectly paying the recruiter through the school who makes a direct payment and adjusts the salary of the teacher. I hope I said this in a way that is understood?
I will try another way of saying it... Let's say you come to XYZ school directly and offer you a job at 18,000 yuan a month. While you are thinking about it Teacher John Doe applies through a recruiter but now the offer he receives is 15,000 yuan a month and the extra 36,000 yuan is paid to the recruiter (most of whom give half of it back to the principal under the table). I met principal from a XiCheng primary school three years ago who want me to be her recruiter so she could do this very thing and make a few bucks to supplement her paltry salary. I also found this old article that talks about this scheme as well.
http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2013/02/21/chinese_school_principals_now_millionaires
If Gold Star is different, I would be shocked. But without seeing the contract they have with the school we would never know. |
I posted links to photobucket above, just for you, no more dodging, no more excuses, no more evasion.
You owe them an apology, and you owe the rest of us enough respect to stop it with your silly games on these forums.
You have no idea how the recruitment system works, you just plain make up facts and figures and then evade when people call you out on it.
You have never once backed up anything you've said with any sort of actual evidence (and no, blog posts by the CFTU do not count as evidence).
How I got this contract you ask?
Several years back when I first started doing recruiting I was having a hard time finding teachers so I was exploring options to help out so we weren't short staffed at the start of the school year. One of the recruiting companies I contacted, along with FootPrints out of Canada, was Gold Star. They sent me a contract, I filled out some forms, they sent me some teachers applications who were interested in the position but unfortunately non of them panned out.
What your saying may be true of some schools but it certainly isn't at mine. I can't speak for other schools AND NEITHER CAN YOU BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW! The offer we made to the teachers through Gold Star was the exact same contract we offer to all of our teachers.
Why on Earth would you think the recruiter would give money back to the principal??? The school is paying a one time fee for a service.
The problem with you, and conspiracy theorists / people who play the victim is that you imagine there's some vast conspiracy when really there isn't.
Nobody is targeting you, nobody but you is responsible for your own stupidity, there's no new world order made of recruiters that want to take over the world.
YOU NEED HELP.
FOR THE GOOD OF ALL OF US PLEASE SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP! |
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Buckeye Bob
Joined: 11 Aug 2014
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Well Kong, I wrongly assumed that Gold Star operated like China ESL and most all the other scammers. If the contract you posted is genuine and I have no reason to believe it is not then I apologize to Gold Star for assuming they were no different than others. But they clearly are the exception and not the rule in the China ESL recruitment industry. I have not seen any other recruiter charge a flat fee to the school. Yet, still we do not know if the school will deduct that flat fee from the intended salary of the teacher or pay it out as a management operational cost. I will concede on this issue that Gold Star is fair and above board.
On the other point you raised, I never claimed to be a victim of any recruiter as you suggested Kong. I simply don't trust or use them. Never have and never will. I have always managed to find my own jobs directly with the universities and schools through their international offices.
And you are still very much mistaken on the amount of Schools in China that "require" a tefl certificate to work here in China. I did a second google search of key words "China School TEFL Certificate Required" and still less than 200 schools pop up Kong. That is 200 out of some 19,000 that hire foreigners. So I stand by my 1% figure.
So since I leave on vacation tomorrow, I trust you will not abuse me in my absence and save your energies for my return. Stay healthy.
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The_Kong
Joined: 15 Apr 2014
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Well Kong, I wrongly assumed that Gold Star operated like China ESL and most all the other scammers. If the contract you posted is genuine and I have no reason to believe it is not then I apologize to Gold Star for assuming they were no different than others. But they clearly are the exception and not the rule in the China ESL recruitment industry. I have not seen any other recruiter charge a flat fee to the school. Yet, still we do not know if the school will deduct that flat fee from the intended salary of the teacher or pay it out as a management operational cost. I will concede on this issue that Gold Star is fair and above board. |
How about instead of making broad statements about 'other recruiters' you post some evidence, just like I did, of what you are saying.
It may help with your credibility a tad.
I do respect that you were man enough to apologize for being wrong, well done sir. |
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