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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Happy Everyday wrote: |
China has laws, and if an employer breaks the law, there are consequences. At least, according to some posters here.
I'm asking the experts here for contact information to report the company/school to the authorities. FAO? PSB? SAFEA? Police? All of them? |
Refer fat_chris' post above.
My two jiao worth - don't waste your time on official complaints. Learn, warn others and move on. |
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Happy Everyday
Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 268
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Ok ok. Contact information is likely available online in Chinese. I can speak, read, and write Chinese. And I can ask my Chinese friends. A quick phone call will suffice.
How will they handle it? That's not for me to ask, not for me to know. Schools like that usually just pay a fine and get a warning unless their legitimate, Chinese competitors can get them shut down. |
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Mr. Leafy

Joined: 24 Apr 2012 Posts: 246 Location: North of the Wall
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Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:57 am Post subject: |
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One possible result is that teachers who are currently working there will get fined and or deported. Maybe they should have known better but some young or inexperienced people might have been fooled by the company, taken the job with the visa that was offered and now will be the focus of govt. attention. Are they at fault? Maybe or maybe not, but do you need to get them deported?
Companies like this do need to be held responsible somehow, but I'm just saying, consider all stakeholders before taking action. |
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Bud Powell
Joined: 11 Jul 2013 Posts: 1736
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Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| Happy Everyday wrote: |
Ok ok. Contact information is likely available online in Chinese. I can speak, read, and write Chinese. And I can ask my Chinese friends. A quick phone call will suffice.
How will they handle it? That's not for me to ask, not for me to know. Schools like that usually just pay a fine and get a warning unless their legitimate, Chinese competitors can get them shut down. |
Wait. You speak, read, and write Chinese?
How did you get find yourself in such a tough spot? |
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NoBillyNO

Joined: 11 Jun 2012 Posts: 1762
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Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| How will they handle it? That's not for me to ask, not for me to know. |
How will they handle it...not at all.... |
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Happy Everyday
Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 268
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Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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They don't normally discuss what they do at their jobs. They most certainly check out reports about foreigners. As to telling you what they'll do or not is a whole other matter. It's often like that culturally as well as administratively. Some changes in opening up have resulted in more openness. For example, bosses never needed to give notice for a meeting or schedule change or say why. In film, years ago, if you submitted to SARFT, you might never get a reply. Now they're a bit more open to communicating. My Chinese friends n USA and in China? They usually will not speak openly and frankly in the presence of foreigners; it only appears that they do. Or in your words, do nothing. If you're really tight with someone, she or he may let you know what was really said when you weren't there. That's how Chinese culture often works-- you're either one of them, or you're not. Being fluent can make you friends but not an equal. The work of authorities in China tends to be one a need to know basis. Not being a cop who works there likely means not knowing what they would do (if anything at all). Hiring international workers illegally is a bit thorny in China even though it *may* be rampant. Fining the school makes more money than fining the illegal worker. Do nothing? I'm not convinced.
I've befriended a few cops along the way. The ones I know work. Perhaps some do nothing, I don't know of any. You do in fact know a lot about China. Can you please give examples to support your statement? Oh, and it would be great if you could provide some contact information to report this to authorities. My feeling is that it should be no problem for experts here, especially that dude who always clamors about punishing law-breakers. |
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Happy Everyday
Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 268
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:36 am Post subject: |
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http://www.topchinatravel.com/customer-center/how-to-call-police-in-china.htm
How to Call Police(110) in China
For calling a police when you need to have alarm service in China, you may need to have a general idea of the way so that you can connect with police in a shorter time.
♦ Guidance:
1. After putting through 110 (free), you will firstly hear such a prompt in both Chinese and English:”Hello, here is 110 alarm service”, then an operator will hear your case.
2. Answering the questions according to the requirements of the operator, such as your name, position and contact ways ans so on as well as the basic information of the case alarmed.
3. Generally, you should remain at the position where you give the alarm to wait for policemen and contact with them as soon as they arrive.
4. Please keep the site untouched so that the policemen can acquire evidences at the site,
♦ Tips:
1. Tell the operator your location as clear as you can. You may give a great help for policemen to handle the case.
2. If you dial 110 by mistake, please hang up immediately.
Note: About 110, 119 and 122
110 is for alarm service while 119 is for fire alarm and 122 for traffic accidents report. There three 24-hour calls are all the organs under the municipal bureau that receive the alarms given by the public. As the windows of the public security organ, they are open to the whole society to provide services to the public.
These three calls have respective focuses.
► When the public’s life, property, etc. Are threatened, or there occurs some urgent and sudden event that the public is unable to settle, you may call 110 to give an alarm and seek help. |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Happy Everyday wrote: |
China has laws, and if an employer breaks the law, there are consequences. At least, according to some posters here.
I'm asking the experts here for contact information to report the company/school to the authorities. FAO? PSB? SAFEA? Police? All of them? |
Sorry, it's not worth your time or effort to "report" the school. They are not the only school which does this and have they, in fact, actually screwed you over?
Your idea to "report" the school isn't going to score you ANY points with the Chinese authorities and you are going to get some other foreign teacher's screwed over for no good reason, who might have had to take this gig with this school. |
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NoBillyNO

Joined: 11 Jun 2012 Posts: 1762
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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| They don't normally discuss what they do at their jobs. They most certainly check out reports about foreigners. As to telling you what they'll do or not is a whole other matter. It's often like that culturally as well as administratively. Some changes in opening up have resulted in more openness. |
You not for real are you ........ u can bet that openness you so fondly speak of likely doesn't apply to wasting their time and it sure doesn't warrant a "hissy" fit that possible can endanger others who have found a balance. That would be culturally f__up. |
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muffintop
Joined: 07 Jan 2013 Posts: 803
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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Job offer to work on L and F visa |
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said too many foreigners would get it in home country, then go to china to work for someone else on it. so, they insist you come on a L or F, work for them, then they'll change it. they offer to pay for all the round trip expenses of going from the mainland to hong kong to change it to Z. |
Uh....lol?
Isn't all of this tied to the employer? You can't come in under one invitation letter and try and get a RP under a different school can you?
Pretty much the lamest excuse ever. You didn't fall for it did you?
Anyway....trying to rat out the school will not likely have the result you think it will. The only thing that will happen is that the school will have to give a few guys at the PSB a fatter hongbao for Chinese New Year. You do run the risk of crapping on the FT's that do work there though.
Let it go. Learn a lesson. Move on. |
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