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Can Saudization extend to foreign embassies abroad?
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johnslat



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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

May I interrupt this thread to wish long-time poster (and fellow Aquarian) scot47 a Most Happy Birthday?

I'm sure that all of us who have had the immense pleasure of reading scot47's posts over the years will agree wholeheartedly that this horoscope suits him so very well:

"Being an Aquarius born on February 16th, your personality is characterized by innate charm and impulsiveness. Throughout your life, you have noticed people seem to gravitate to your personality. While your warmth and friendliness does play a role, you may be surprised to realize that many people are drawn to your mystery. Your impulsive nature may play a role in your enigma persona, as you are always exploring new interests and situations. At times, you are even blown away by your spontaneous, fast-paced way of living!

February 16 Element
Your sign's paired element is air and in fact, you are the only zodiac sign with a fixed connection to the element. Much like a strong wind, air's influence drives a stubborn and determined quality to your personality. When paired with your natural curiosity, the influence of air allows you to work tirelessly to gain understanding and knowledge from new situations. The continued embrace of air's positive qualities will become a strong asset, as long as you make an effort to avoid air's negative qualities; the influence of stagnant air can cause bouts of social and emotional distance.

February 16 Planetary Influence
The Aquarius is ruled by the planet Uranus, but as you were born in the third Decan, or part, of the sign, you are also subject to the planetary influence of Venus. While Uranus, the planet of deviation, is responsible for your freedom seeking and original qualities, it is the power of Venus that is reflected in your social and sensitive nature. Your unique combination of planetary influences makes you more of a natural romantic than the other Aquarius Decans. In your close relationships, you are sensitive, affectionate and unconditionally loving. In your romantic endeavors, you display the same passion, but your impulsive nature leaves many relationships short-lived. While your restlessness will always be a challenge, take refuge in the fact that it will bring you many worthwhile and exciting experiences.

February 16 Career
Determined, warm and original, your natural abilities will create a variety of career options for you to consider. You may choose to take your warmth and passion for people into humanitarian careers, such as teaching or education. Similarly, your need for excitement may take you into careers like advertising, journalism or media. If you feel your charms would be most useful when shared with an audience, you may take to the world of entertainment, much like Ice T, who was also born on February 16th. In whichever career you choose, adopt the passion and dedication to greatness of John McEnroe, another of your celebrity birthday,"


The stars and planets are never wrong. Very Happy

Regards,
John
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:40 pm    Post subject: Star turn Reply with quote

… as opposed to the stars and stripes, John? Wink
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:41 pm    Post subject: Felicitations Reply with quote

And long may my compatriot continue to add pepper to Dave's!
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear grahamb,

A British perspective:

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." - Winston Churchill

Very Happy

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John
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happy Birthday to my favorite grumpy Scotsman!!

VS
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:03 pm    Post subject: Grumpy Scotsmen Reply with quote

Here's tae us, wha's like us?
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Xie Lin



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happy Birthday, Scot, and many more!

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trapezius



Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to the US Consulate in Jeddah last week to apply for a visa, and the first employee I encountered who interacted with me was a young Saudi girl, barely 25 years old. Her job is to ask for each visa applicant's passport, application form confirmation page, appointment confirmation page, fold both sheets in half length-wise, put them inside the passport, and then hand it back to the applicant.
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cmp45



Joined: 17 Aug 2004
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Location: KSA

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trapezius wrote:
I went to the US Consulate in Jeddah last week to apply for a visa, and the first employee I encountered who interacted with me was a young Saudi girl, barely 25 years old. Her job is to ask for each visa applicant's passport, application form confirmation page, appointment confirmation page, fold both sheets in half length-wise, put them inside the passport, and then hand it back to the applicant.


Oh the horror!

I suspect most entry level positions have menial tasks as part of many duties that she most likely has throughout the day; to keep busy.
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SENTINEL33



Joined: 19 Jan 2014
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Location: Bahrain

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trapezius wrote:
I went to the US Consulate in Jeddah last week to apply for a visa, and the first employee I encountered who interacted with me was a young Saudi girl, barely 25 years old. Her job is to ask for each visa applicant's passport, application form confirmation page, appointment confirmation page, fold both sheets in half length-wise, put them inside the passport, and then hand it back to the applicant.


Whenever I read items like what trapezius just wrote, I get all suspicious.

First of all, a quick review of some of his previous postings plus the linguistic shadings and hues of his posts, leads me to believe he is from the US. His English is too good for a non-native speaker. At the same time, he can't be British because none of his writings show the sometimes risible pecularities of standard British speech. (No malice intended).

So if he is American, he can't possibly be going to the US Consulate in Jeddah "to apply for a visa". A visa for which country? The USA? But he doesn't need one and US Consulates do not issue visas for any other country.

Then, he calls the 1st person who interacted with him, a "young Saudi girl barely 25 years old....". 25 years old in any culture does not a "young girl" make. In Saudi culture, she's considered nearly middle-aged especially if she's not married. Describing any female 25 years old as a "girl" is peculiar....unless trapezius is like 90 years old or is elderly in other ways.

Then there's the near certainty that he displays about the female being "Saudi". This is the second time in recent days that someone "claims" he actually "interacted" with a KSA femiale. I went through a similar procedure recently at a USA consulste in KSA (I was actually accompanying someone), and the "girl" that attended us was not Saudi. She was Somali married to an Ameican, and although her Arabic was quite good, it was definitely not native nor Gulf Arabic.

So unless the "girl" was carrying some kind of identifying tag or placard identifying her as "Saudi", or she verbally identified herself as such (and why would she do that?), I'd be most interested in finding out how Tapezius figured her to be Saudi.

So, a seemilngly innocent and innocuous posting like trapezius, suddenly forces all kinds of questions to be asked. You (generic) just can't trust anything you read anymore, even here on this Forum.
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veiledsentiments



Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Sentinel,

In this case, you would be completely wrong. Trap - who has been here on Dave's for a very long time - is of sub-continental heritage and grew up in Saudi Arabia. He is one of our best, and most accurate, describers of the country that we have here.

He got his degree(s) in the US... and has mentioned that his wife is British. At the moment he is planning to add another advanced degree to his repertoire and is likely going back to the US.

So, if you are going to get all suspicious about any poster's knowledge of the country or culture, Trap isn't one that you should worry about. Cool

VS
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rollingk



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sentinel,

I live in Qassim, a very conservative area of KSA, and I'm 100% sure some of the women I interact with at the help desks on various floors of a private hospital I use here are Saudis. I know because I have asked a Saudi doctor about this as well as the military officers I teach. Also, and importantly, I have no reason to lie.

About "linguistic shadings": Why why why would anyone care to be suspicious about such a thing anyway? During a discussion with a coworker at my new job, I was told that there were simply too many linguistic markings in my discourse for me to be "only American". What a load (perhaps, a bunch?) of nonsense. I'm an American Southerner, but not the oft quoted "gun in the truck, baby in the trailer" type. Over-generalization and suspicion are intellectual weaknesses, and when they are coupled, lands one into a, shall we say, trailer park of the mind. Wink
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SENTINEL33



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks to VS and rollingk for their comments putting me on the right track vis a vis trapezius. As I said in my posting, no malice was intended neither then nor now.
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