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That 4 AM Prayer Call
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MuscatGary



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mahdi1432 wrote:
I cope very well.

I'm the one who does it for my nearby mosque. Alhamdulillaah.



Interesting! What happens if you oversleep or you're sick?
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mahdi1432



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MuscatGary wrote:
Interesting! What happens if you oversleep or you're sick?


The first person in besides the muaadhin makes the call.
Adhan (call to prayer) can and is made by anyone if the appointed person (muaadhin) is not present.
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jaffa



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't hear the 4am one, thank god, but when they start up in the afternoon I stick on Led Zepellin.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder about the prevalence of recorded calls to prayer these days. I distinctly remember one fine day in downtown Amman in the 1970s when, instead of the call to prayer, the opening strains of Yellow Submarine floated across the city before the cassette (and no doubt whoever was responsible) was hastily ejected...
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mahdi1432



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sicklyman wrote:
I wonder about the prevalence of recorded calls to prayer these days. I distinctly remember one fine day in downtown Amman in the 1970s when, instead of the call to prayer, the opening strains of Yellow Submarine floated across the city before the cassette (and no doubt whoever was responsible) was hastily ejected...


There are (should be) no recorded calls to prayer in the mosque. All have to be done by a person (muaadhin).

Most mosques are open 24/7 or keys left nearby since all mosques should stay open.
Someone could come in and do whatever they want or say whatever they want over the microphone.
إن شاء الله nobody does that.
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PC Parrot



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an interesting use of the loud-speaker.

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-woman-uses-mosque-megaphone-to-call-for-help-1.1321714
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fledex



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first came to the middle east, it scared and puzzled me. Now, it's a thing of beauty, like the rooster crowing in the morning. My work requires me to wake a little before the call and I hate waking to the alarm, but I feel a sense of comfort once the prayer call starts.
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Jcray21



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Leafy wrote:
When I first arrived in another country which has many mosques the school sent one teacher along with the driver to pick me up at the airport. The whole way back into the city she was trying to convince me how awful it was living with mosques. I assured her I was well travelled and had lived abroad before and was familiar with it. She just went on and on and I kept taking it in stride. Finally she got very exasperated and said, ‘You just don’t understand! It wakes everyone up!’ I looked at her and calmly said, ‘Yes, that’s the point’. My ‘welcoming committee’ spent the next six months snarking at me.


I would have asked her if she realized she is working in a Muslim country.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jcray21 wrote:
Mr. Leafy wrote:
When I first arrived in another country which has many mosques the school sent one teacher along with the driver to pick me up at the airport. The whole way back into the city she was trying to convince me how awful it was living with mosques. I assured her I was well travelled and had lived abroad before and was familiar with it. She just went on and on and I kept taking it in stride. Finally she got very exasperated and said, ‘You just don’t understand! It wakes everyone up!’ I looked at her and calmly said, ‘Yes, that’s the point’. My ‘welcoming committee’ spent the next six months snarking at me.


I would have asked her if she realized she is working in a Muslim country.


True, but the blasting loud-speakers aren't exactly like church bells. What's wrong with doing the calls the way they use to do it before loud speakers.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plumpy nut wrote:
True, but the blasting loud-speakers aren't exactly like church bells. What's wrong with doing the calls the way they use to do it before loud speakers.

Well... they could make the argument that in the past, people were not closed up behind sealed doors and windows listening to the A/C run... and the TV... and the radio.

It has to be louder to get their attention... which is the point.

VS
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"True, but the blasting loud-speakers aren't exactly like church bells. What's wrong with doing the calls the way they use to do it before loud speakers."

Plumply nut, they use the loud speakers to have people hear the call to prayer. So that they could respond to it throughout the days and nights. Speakers are clearly needed, because without it I doubt anyone will be able to hear it from a distance, due to the cars and traffic and living in better constructed buildings, compare to the past. I think in rural areas the people probably would have no need for loud speakers.[/quote]
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Jcray21



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

plumpy nut wrote:
Jcray21 wrote:
Mr. Leafy wrote:
When I first arrived in another country which has many mosques the school sent one teacher along with the driver to pick me up at the airport. The whole way back into the city she was trying to convince me how awful it was living with mosques. I assured her I was well travelled and had lived abroad before and was familiar with it. She just went on and on and I kept taking it in stride. Finally she got very exasperated and said, ‘You just don’t understand! It wakes everyone up!’ I looked at her and calmly said, ‘Yes, that’s the point’. My ‘welcoming committee’ spent the next six months snarking at me.


I would have asked her if she realized she is working in a Muslim country.


True, but the blasting loud-speakers aren't exactly like church bells. What's wrong with doing the calls the way they use to do it before loud speakers.


I take it you never lived next to a church that blasted 10 bells early Sunday morning. Honestly I love hearing the adhan and leave my window open at night so I can hear it, usually. When the window is closed I can't hear a thing.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the year 2014, we have tons of tech-based products that could tell anyone wanting to know what time the call starts and finishes - like after 1400 years, they don't know. For example, one can buy a clock that auto-adjusts the time to 100th of a second. One could place a "call-to-prayer-clock" on any wall that sets off the chant at the five correct times. People can use software on a computer, or cell phone that can tell anyone when the call is to the second. People can have call to prayer systems installed in their cars. Coke and Samba Bank could "partner-up" and give out small clocks, or watches for free with their logos on them that can activate the call at the right times (could also vibrate as a way to not disturb people who don't wish to hear it). Every store in every mall across KSA can use a light system that flashes when the call starts and finishes. On each tower, on every mosques, they could place a beautiful light, or laser that can flash (quietly!!!!!) when the call starts. They could use something called “imagination” (what’s that word, teacher!!??) and join this century. To be frank (although that’s not my name), if several things were not so darn intrusive to me, I might try and learn more about the religion.

It is a good way to control the masses like sheep though. The loudspeakers can also blast over the people trying to watch American Idol on their computers/TVs.

Church bells in Europe and North America also served as a community service, waking up people that had to milk the cows, or get ready for work. 500 years ago, clocks and watches were very expensive and very few people owned any time pieces. The local churches were the keeper of time for each local area. In addition, there were no time zones back then and even in small towns, there were many time differences. It could be 12 noon on Maple drive, while it was still 11:45am across town. In this region, the call was also a way for people to know the times of the day as well as providing a community-based service.

Now that clocks are very cheap/accurate, every part of the world runs on the same 24-hour time system, and we have the tech, I don't understand why the 1950's style loudspeakers are still being used. Does the crackle of the electronic hum and the guy clearing out his snot remind grandpa of a simpler time?


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mashkif



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I will say is that going up a high tower and screaming thence that your "god" is the biggest is incredibly childish, simpleminded, and weak.

And as for those who rave about the "beauty" of the adhan, they may want to know that the standard adhan heard through Saudi Arabia is actually pretty lame. The most beautiful one I ever heard was from a Shi3a mosque in Bahrain. THEY know how to rock that adhan!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jcray21 wrote:
Mr. Leafy wrote:
When I first arrived in another country which has many mosques the school sent one teacher along with the driver to pick me up at the airport. The whole way back into the city she was trying to convince me how awful it was living with mosques. I assured her I was well travelled and had lived abroad before and was familiar with it. She just went on and on and I kept taking it in stride. Finally she got very exasperated and said, ‘You just don’t understand! It wakes everyone up!’ I looked at her and calmly said, ‘Yes, that’s the point’. My ‘welcoming committee’ spent the next six months snarking at me.


I would have asked her if she realized she is working in a Muslim country.





Whatever the prevalent religion of a country, she - just as you - has every right to an opinion.
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