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Bud Powell



Joined: 11 Jul 2013
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as your accent goes, just say you're from Texas. Wink


Or New Jersey or Philadelphia. Who would know the difference ?
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thebroformerlyknownaschou



Joined: 09 May 2014
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP: the problem is not the passport, it's your speaking and writing. you seem
to be doing fine in the application process up until you speak with an actual
native speaker. if they ask whether you're a native speaker (and by this
time they know you're not), then lying would be why you don't get called back.

besides, your writing is not native. it's very good, but too many simple
mistakes a native speaker would never make. nothing that would give you
a failing grade on an exam, just little stuff that tastes awkward. average
chinese would never notice.

but none of that should matter, since few schools have native speakers
doing the hiring. all that matters is that you have a golden passport. place
of birth is probably rarely considered.

i've worked with two non-natives (middle eastern origin) with western
passports. the first was an excellent teacher, great english, but with a
strong accent. the second also a good teacher, perfect writing, but i could
understand less than half of what he said. both employed at public
universities (yunnan, hainan).

keep applying. you'll get hired. i'd remove the english proficiency remark
from your resume. it's unnecessary.....you're from the us, so of course you
speak english good.....and could be a red flag for anyone truly interested
in details like place of birth.
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Voyeur



Joined: 03 Jul 2012
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm...by 5th grad it may be tough to drop your accent. Also, you mention that you have been abroad for many years, bringing into question exactly how long you were in America.

If ESL is a serious, long-term career choice then you might consider legally changing your name to the more Anglicized version--even Angloing it up further if it is still somewhat ethnic. Once you have done that you'd need to get all new ID and get new copies of your diplomas.

If your accent is just a touch off, then the above might work. Of course there are always other considerations when it comes to a legal name change.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrPost wrote:
I think the line in passport regarding birthplace is a bigger sticking point tho.

M accent...? Perhaps you're right about that as well -- I can't hear myself like others can. It's really really rare that someone points it out to me tho. It has happened in the past, in person, but I have doubts that it's discernible over the phone at least.

I won't address the comments posted about your writing; I doubt that's an issue. However, I suspect the (perceived or real) issue with your accent might be because you've called Texas your home since age 10. If you have even a trace of a foreign accent, it's barely noticeable underneath your Texas drawl. Moreover, non-native speakers unfamiliar with southern US accents often claim to have some difficulty understanding what's being said by southerners.

But there's something you really need to keep in mind about place of birth because it can affect how others perceive your English even if it's perfect. Case in point: I've noticed that when I've mentioned to my students that I was born outside the US, there are usually one or two who subsequently start to doubt my native fluency. They make comments about my accent---that they sometimes don't understand me. Their perceived difficulties only surface once they're told of my foreign birth. Plus, this reaction has been from students who are less proficient than their classmates. Anyway, the first time this occurred, I was puzzled because the majority of the students said they had no problem with my American accent---business as usual. However, when I could no longer stand wracking my brain about it, I finally asked what exactly was the issue with my spoken English, specifically, my accent. The response was, "Teacher, you weren't born in the US." By the way, their classmates ended up explaining to them why an overseas birth doesn't always affect a person's fluency in their native language nor imply the person even speaks the language of that country. From that point on, the students had no more issues with my English. Amazing.

So, yes, place of birth can give others preconceived notions about you that are way off. Indicating on my CV that I'm a native English speaker and an American helps balance things out by bringing potential employers' attention to those qualifications. In fact, the only time employers see any documentation about my birthplace is when I've emailed them a copy of my passport page, and that's usually after I've been interviewed. It ends up being a non-issue.
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, yes, place of birth can give others preconceived notions about you that are way off. Indicating on my CV that I'm a native English speaker and an American helps balance things out by bringing potential employers' attention to those qualifications. In fact, the only time employers see any documentation about my birthplace is when I've emailed them a copy of my passport page, and that's usually after I've been interviewed. It ends up being a non-issue.

For me, nothing happens until I turn in my documentation. THEN the interviews begin.
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buffalobill12323



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"thebroformerlyknownaschou"

What happened to your alter-ego?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Powell wrote:
For me, nothing happens until I turn in my documentation. THEN the interviews begin.[/i]

For clarification, I'm not in China.
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